I'm looking at making some models for the game. Sadly I don't know anything about the actual game and I don't have anyone to help me learn the game.

What should I be aware of when I'm making the little models? I'd be going for either Tau, Necron, Eldar or ... well. I could use any /rules/, the entire game is pretty much "Counts As", right?

Do I need to model on specific guns or shields or anything?
What should my fleet consist of (I'm guessing generally 1-2 big ships, several medium sized ones and a dozen smaller ones)?
Do I need to make them the "right" size or is close enough good enough?
Can I make round ships or should they be like the Imperial ones?
What bases do I use? How high on the stands do I make them?

How do you play the game? Can someone give me a quick run down of a game that you have played, like a battle report (done in 5 mins)?

Battlefleet Gothic was something I had a lot of interest in when it first came out
So I saved up some money (took a while)
Headed down the local GW
They'd removed it from sale.
>such is life in the 41st century

>>13944338

Unless agreed otherwise WYSIWYG is mostly there, so cruiser with broadside weapon batteries must look like a cruiser with broadside weapon batteries, but a BFG fleet is much much cheaper than a 40k/Fantasy army. When it comes to game mechanics, base size is the most important thing. 10+ HP ships should be put on large bases.

Games Workshop/Forgeworld sites have Eldar/Tau ships in them

I'm not sure about the Eldar. Sure, it's kinda cool to rock the stellar winds, but there is something about these ships that don't seem right.

>>13944388
They always looked kind of fragile to me. I prefer the solidness of the Imperial fleet personally

Thats always been my problem with the Eldar. Too flimsy-looking.

>>13944375
WYSIWYG? Cool, so I'll just read over the rules and pick a faction. Throw up a list and read the descriptions and just sort of make do? Sounds easy-ish... Do the factions have any particular playing style that is attached to them?

I'm really interested in making my own models for this. I think it should be ... it's not going to be easy, but I think I could really make something cool. This type of thing is my type of thing. If that makes sense.

My two cents about BFG:

Chaos...Fucking...ROCKS


Currently playing an a 40k campaign that uses both BFG and the Tabletop. My crushing Battlefleet victories have caused the Blood Angels player to turn renegade and worship Khorne, because he doesn't want to lose all his fleets to my unstoppable Armada.


Terminus Est is high tier.

>>13944388

Craftworld Eldar ships look a bit sturdier (as they should, they get 5+ armour instead of paper 4+ of corsairs), but the single sail in the Dragonships looks a bit out of place. Flame of Asuryan looks good, but is more expensive by 8 pounds.

>>13944396
The models have not aged well. And, being from- what, the 80's?

The Imperials and Traitors look really, really cool. But there is no way I could model that geometric exoskeleton thing they have going on.

>>13944435

Void Stalker is the best-looking Corsair Eldar ship.

Question how comparable are the star wars starship battles miniatures as far as size goes.

>>13944459
That is a pretty FUCKING awesome ship.

Shit. Well, once I get into the game I might drop bundle of cash (and another bundle on shipping costs) on Eldar ... Craftworld or Corsair? Can I do an allied force?

>>13944417

Yeah, Space Marines are the underdogs in fleet encounters.

The BFG rules committee has pretty much finalized the new FAQ and a lots of additional stuff that comes with it, including ability for SM strike cruisers to buy a second shield, which should keep them from dying too fast.

>>13944486
Best I can guess from Wikipedia, BFG ships are 2-10 cm long. Roughly 3/4" to 4"?

Anyone find it odd that the Chaos ships are based on the original plastic Imperial battleships from Space Fleet while the Imperial ships are the later metals?

Also kind of disappointing that none of the Eldar ships look like the Space Fleet Eldar. Which is odd since they used the Space Fleet Eldar design for years in Eldar codex art.

>>13944503

Space Fleet eldar never did it for me, I know they use space sails but this is a bit too much.

>>13944499
>Yeah, Space Marines are the underdogs in fleet encounters.

Until they finish their move in base contact with a ship and board that motherfucker. I've seen Space Marine Frigates kill Heavy Cruisers in boarding actions. Then there's the fun and games of teleport boarding actions - WITH TERMINATORS.

That said, these are the ONLY advantages a Space Marine fleet gets, so it really is in his best interest to leverage them as much as possible.

>>13944503
>Anyone find it odd that the Chaos ships are based on the original plastic Imperial battleships from Space Fleet while the Imperial ships are the later metals?

No because we've read the chaos fleet fluff.

Chaos ships ARE the older models of ships from the Imperial Fleet that couldn't stand to get motballed and overlooked in favour of the newer ships and turned to chaos to prove that they still had it.

That's why both sides can get Grand Cruisers, and that there's an Imperial List out there where they can take certain models of chaos cruiser.

>>13944545

Chaos also uses pre-heresy ships preserved in the Eye, which are lost technology to the Imperium.

I have a few thousand points of BFG that I'd like to sell if anyone is interested?

British chap here.

>>13944531
>Boarding actions

Mark of Nurgle says NO!

Oh the look on his face when he realized he couldn't board me, and that the Terminus Est was going to offload 9 bombers and 8 Lances up his tailpipe for his trouble.

>>13944545
Gavin: Why don't we have the old models as Chaos and the new models can be the Imperium?
Jervis: Gavin, that's ridiculous. Stick to your Eldar.
Andy: Hey, wait a sec. That's brilliant.
Gavin: Great. That way the staff can work on redesigning the Eldar into Corsair and Craftworld.

>>13944594
If you're in London then I might be able to get a friend to pick them up off of you.

What do you have?

One of the ships that I have. I have a load similar to this.

>>13944611

I live in Worcestershire actually. I'm more than happy to post though if you can cope with my atrocious organisational skills.

I have about 20 or so chaos and imperial cruisers, and an imperial battleship and a choas battleship.

I'd like to hold onto 9 of the chaos cruisers (just as display pieces because I think they look awesome), but the rest is certainly up for sale.

>>13944564
Though the Imperium does still have some of them left, a significant portion of the reserve fleets which are normally in storage are made up of pre-heresy vessels.

>>13944639

That's 20 chaos and 20 imperial (ish). I'm at uni atm so I don't know the exact numbers.

I'd be tempted to take you up on the offer but I have absolutely no money until mid-march.

Fucking Car insurance.

>>13944639
Welp. I have no idea where Worcestershire is (Google Maps be damned). I live near a Worcester Street, and I like Lea and Perrins but that doesn't help. I live in NZ, so once you look at postage on top of the cost of the actual models it's getting into largish sums of money to entrust into someone you don't know.

MFW I have the entire Ultramarines Chapter fleet...

And a Lamenters fleet I'm working on too...

Ffffffuuuuuuu-

Google 'Worcester'. It's the county city and only a few miles from where I actually live.

>>13944656

Indeed.

More than happy to escrow, but I think the costs to NZ might be prohibitive.

>>13944678
Agreed. Hope they see battle in the future under a new commander.

I think the appeal of BFG for me is that it doesn't matter too much what ships your fleet consists of, it more a case of what you do with them that matters. Is this a correct assumption?

Ork fleet is always fun.

Pic related.

>>13944723
going by what i've seen, 10-15 ships per side is the average; so yeah, tactics are what seem to win your battles.

>>13944746
when I saw your ork roks, I giggled a little

>>13944746
Annnnnddddd.... now I've decided what faction to field.

>>13944410
Yeah the different factions each have a general theme.

Imperials are all about Broadsides, using their heavy prows for protection on the approach. Generally the only weapons they ahve pointed forwards are Torpedoes or a Nova cannon (basically space artillery). Can do a decent carrier fleet too if that takes your fancy.

Chaos are similar though they act as more general gunships, losing the prow armour for more speed and general a little longer range. They can also be used as a pretty formidable carrier fleet.

Both chaos and imperials "Workhorse" ships are their cruisers and its perfectly viable to build a fleet of nothing but cruisers and battle/heavy cruisers.

Space marines are like imperials but with less gun and more speed and armour to put their boarding advantage into practice.

Eldar generally rely on their smaller ships, but they are quite fast and the most maneuverable (they have a special rule that lets them move twice in a turn, before and after they shoot). they're glass cannons though and their exact speed depends on their orientation to the sun.

Tyranids are a little different, they' re the only fleet where you have to take your biggest ships to get access to the smaller ones (other fleets work the other way), they're a slower fleet with short range shooting. But they're the kings of boarding actions, a Nid cruisers can take on a Space marines largest ship with even odds. They're also good at flooding the table with Ordnance if you choose too.

Orks are like a slower more random version of imperials, and chaos.

Necrons are the fastest, thoughest and have fairly good fire power. they give up a lot more of victory points if you manage to kill them though.

BFG is about the only GW game I would still buy models from GW for...if I had to.

If I could get unbuilt ones for cheap off ebay I would.

For scratch building/kitbashing Orks and Tyranids are the only easy options. Orks from ... well anything you have to hand, and tyranids kitbashed from 40k nid stuff bought for as cheap as possible.

Imperial, Chaos and Eldar are a bit harder to scratch build well, especially if you actually like the style of the original models and want to get as close to that as possible.

>>13944857
>>13944808

Thank you very much for your synopsis.

At the end of the day ofcourse the actual ship models are only markers. Technically you don't need them there at all, it's just easier to atleast know what class of ship it is if there is a model.

Everything in the rules is drawn to the stem of the flying base so really as long as the base is the right size and has the center point marked you can use any ship you want.

Of course it does look nicer on the table if all the ships are kinda to the same scale as each other.

>>13944808

As a Chaos and occasional imperial player, I can attest to the fact that facing down an imperial fleet to the front is a very, very scary prospect.

Thankfully though chaos weapons batteries are very long ranged, and their carriers are great - although against imperials any carrier space is needed to cope with torpedoes.

[Also - email is in the email field for anyone interested in buying stuff btw]

>>13944889
So, if I'm making a Tau Fleet (just because I have the pdf up at the moment), the TYPE/HITS stat tells me what size I should make them? Battleship, Cruiser, Defence (?), Escort?

>>13944903

That is a fair method, aye.

picked this up recently. looking to get another two cruisers (which i'll magnetise) and then i'll pretty much have a 1500pt fleet.
painting- going for dark blue main, white and gold detailing.

BFG...

one of the few things ever that GW GOT FUCKING RIGHT.

good balance of aesthetics, wysiwyg, and decent 3d naval battle movement (at least for what you are working with).

good game

>>13944922
10cm for a Battleship.
6cm for a Cruiser.
3-4cm for a Light Cruiser.
2-3cm for a Frigate.
1-2cm for a Destroyer.

And Escorts are the little squads as in pic.

Is that about right?

>>13944903

Yep that's how it works.

Battleships use the GW large flying base (55-60mm), everything else, Cruisers, Escorts and I'm pretty sure Defences too use the smaller GW flying base (25-30?mm).

Past that as long as you say "this is my battleship, these are my cruisers, these are my escorts"...and let the opponent look at the stats for them when asked it's all fine.

To be honest most of the models GW produced only comform to a very basic level of showing what weapons are on the ship, and for some like Orks they didn't bother at all.

did anyone ever do a papercraft for BFG?

>>13944943
measureing off my imperial models
Battleship: 12 cm
Cruiser: 9cm
light cruiser: 5-6cm
destroyer/frigate: 3-4 cm

In BFG rules frigates and destroyers (and similarly sized ships) are called Escorts, everything else Light cruiser and up is a Capital ship. Actual bombers or Fighters are called Ordnance and while models are available for them aren't need as you can make do with paper tokens.

though your figures are close enough that no-one would complain.

Always remember that it is monumental in scale.

>>13944952

>>13944943

As long as you pick one size for each class and kinda stick to it so at least that basic information is obvious to the opponent, and yourself, everything should be fine.

I just measured my Chaos fleet and got these approximates:

Battleship (120mm)
Cruiser (90-100mm)
Escort (30mm)

Light Cruisers would go in at about 50-60mm.

Of course with a whole galaxy of different ship yards no ship is likely to be exactly the same size so you don't need to be at all precise, just different enough to know what class it is for shooting and finding them on your fleet list.

>>13944948
Sweet.

I can get out the old circuit boards and start choppin.

>>13944986

Do it, instant necrons.

>>13945012
You and me, bro.

Starting the BFG revival. Everyone is Ork or Necron.

>>13944975

I'd not seen that picture in ages and I thought upwards of 500m sounded a little big for the battery guns of an imperial cruiser.

Mind you if it is meaning from the front of the airlock to the back of the battery bay then 500m+ seems fine.

Going by a very rough scale conversion the battery turrets on the Chaos ships come in at about 200-250m, but I would assume a lot more workings below the turrets. Meanwhile on Imperial ships all the workings are horizontal.

>>13944986
incase your interested heres a mostly finished ship i made mostly out of circuit boards.

>>13945022

Only problem with that being that outside of scenario play Necrons are preeetty unbalanced unless the opponent gets very lucky and rolls a really well for criticals.

I really need to check up on the main BFG communities current rules. I know they have done a lot of tinkering with pretty much every race.

>>13945052
they've faq'ed them down a bit. also the objective with necrons is- cripple then gtfo.

>>13945050

top marks.

>>13945037

Well, keep in mind that the Cobra is 3km long... and that it's front prow is about a third as tall as it is long so that gives us 1km.
Now, compare the gunbarrels from the cruiser sprue with a cobra's prow, they DO look about half as big as that thing. Of course some of it is recessed into the gunport so it's iffy, but yeah: Big gun is BIG.

>>13945050

Oooh, that's very nice and the shapes are clean enough for it to be chaos or imperial without much trouble.

Most scratch builds I plan out end up looking like Ork ships regardless of what I actually wanted them to be when I started.

Getting a kinda assembly line esq style that looks good and can be built without too much work is harder than it seems.

I should have thought about using stuff like circuit boards...a lot of the time when I think of scratch build I think starting with a piece of wood/syrene/metal and working 100% from scratch as opposed to looking for bits and scraps that would do the job.

Here are some kill kroozas I've been working on.

>>13945050
That is a thing of beauty. I would have been limited to flat disc shaped ships if I had not seen the possibilities. What's the plans for it? Are you going to paint all over it or keep some of the board showing? Is there any particular painting traps when dealing with circuit boards that I should be aware of?

>>13945052
Eh, I wouldn't be very good at the moment. Living long enough to get the rules down during a game is my main priority. I'll be building Tyranids later on, I do well with biological stuff. It's likely they'll be my main fleet. Necrons can just be my training wheels.

>>13945052
where could one find such modifications?

saw this on here before

>>13945072

>>13945058

That's why scenarios make things more interesting.

The necrons can't speed in, blow away a couple of ships and speed out for the win.

And on the other hand even if the non-necron player pulls off an amazing string of luck and blows away a few Necron ships they can still complete their mission.

Oh and the Necron player better be using escorts.

So yeah as long as it isn't a victory points battle with a maxed fleet of Necron Battleships/Cruisers everything should be fine.

Same thing goes for Eldar really, if there is no objective other than cripple/destroy enemy ships and disengage then a propperly tailored Eldar fleet can be nigh on unbeatable, especially if the terrain is good for them

>>13945098
yeah if there are lot of celestial phenomena on the table and you are battling eldar... good luck.

>>13945089

Ah nid fleets. Sometimes, all you need is some greenstuff and a box of plastic gaunts.

>>13945089

I was going to make a Tyranid fleet myself...but then my friend started building one after I talked about doing it for so long but never did it...so being the kind chap I am I donated a lot of my Nid stuff for him to cut up.

Looks like I need to buy some syrene sheets and random 28mm armour plates and get building an Ork fleet.

>>13945081
I would have suggested the PortMaw forums but apparantly they got hacked recently and are still trying to get everything back together again.

>>13945120
pro-tip: a cheap, readily-available substitute for plasticard is old credit, debit, and gift cards. It's the same material. I used to work at Borders, so I saved up hundreds of spent gift cards over the Christmas season.

The ingenuity and continued support I'm seeing in this thread have just blown my mind. I'm really very impressed. /tg/ gets shit done, indeed

>>13945120
I hear you. With all the aliens in various media we've seen over our lifetimes, it seems a shame that we don't put this inspiration to good use.

>>13945147

Hmm, I'm sure I can put that information to good use thanks.

>>13945152

That's the BFG community for you.

GW pretty much told us to fuck off and take our stupid space ship game with us.

So we did...and are trying to make it better than it ever was.

>>13945081
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bw_dULEfC3rbYzUyNjQzZTAtMDZiMS00ZjRlLWJjNzMtYTE5YmNjZjdjODQ1

These are all additions made by the rules committee (Bob Henderson, Ray Bell, Nate Montes) set by Games Workshop, the same guys made the Admech fleet list in GW's site and the earlier FAQ's.

A few of them are in the draft stage still, and when the package of ready they will be sent to GW, and eventually put on the GW site like the Admech list and other BFG stuff.

>>13945156

To be honest that is one thing I find the most saddening about the fact that I only had GW stores to play in for much of the last 15-16 years.

I recently parted company with GW, for the most part, after getting sick of their nonsense and price hikes, and I exposed myself to the wonderfully vast and creative world of Wargaming propper.

Thinking back to when I was a little kid and first started model building I had so many crazy ideas, but with having to follow GW store rules of what models could be used and stuff that the creativity was kinda left out in the cold.

Now I'm older and wiser...well maybe not wiser but I've got a more open and independent mind set.

>>13945147
Would "clear binding covers" (GIS or http://www.warehousestationery.co.nz/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WSL-B2C-Site/en_NZ/-/NZD/ViewOffe
rDetail-Product?ProductRef=23075@WSL-B2C) be the same or too thin? I picked some up for stencil work.

>>13945074
thanks, don't have much plans for it, built a while ago when i was board and had a broken comptuer handy.
Been proxying it for an Exorctist in my imperial fleet.

When I get around to painting it gonna try and keep the layers thin. I want to keep the detail of the circuit paths visible.

A more recent and deliberate scratch build is pic related. A Pre-heresy styled light cruiser for my Imperial Reserves fleet (got a hard on for Grand Cruisers)

>>13945186
should do, not sure if it'd be strong enough on its own. also it may not glue very well. worth a try though.
To be honest though styrene sheet isn't expensive and great to work with. I can get 4 sheets 165mm x 265mm .5 mm thick for $8 AUS at my FLGS

>>13945181
Yep. It really gets me as well. To be fair, I don't think they have much of a choice. It's the law concerning IP that really hurts the industry. Did you know that they ask that no 3rd party IP is included in conversions? Privateer Press is the same (I remember, but then I couldn't find the quote when i looked a while ago). Can't use a Trollblood Spear on a Lizardman Old One. Can't use a dreadnought autocannon on a warjack.

Sad state of affairs for tournaments. Luckily the friendlies and little local tournies are all good. And that's what really matters.

I've been kitbashing some grand cruisers - on the same lines as a chap called 'robopope' on deviant art.

With Port Maw down I guess http://www.sg.tacticalwargames.net/forum/index.php becomes one of the next best places for finding experimental rules, general talk and BFG painting/modeling projects.

>>13945246
the BFG sub forum on warseer is alright.
and I believe one of the members of the High Admiralty (group appointed by GW to look after BFG) drops in often enough.

>>13945217

Yeah I accept that they "have" to do it, at the very least in their shops, it just makes me wish I'd had a local club where I could have done pretty much anything.

Privateer Press are a company I've always had an odd relationship with. I like some of their products, but their mentality, and the mentality of their fan boys especially if you mention having touched a GW product kinda put me off from a very early stage. To hear that they have 100% PP only restricitons in their tourneys doesn't come as that much of a surprise.

>>13945268
For once I'm appriecating coming from a small town.

>>13945089
heres some of my Nid ships

Bump.

To all your fellow converters and paper\scratchbuilders: How do you paint papercraft? What paper do you use? Do you paint it before or after assembly?

I found six different papercraft models for BFG.3 Imperial and 3 Pirate. I can email those if someone wants them.

bump

>>13945171
>Looks through the Ork list
>Shokk-Attack Lance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Free
(Not for escorts.) A ship‟s prow heavy gunz batteries
can be replaced with this weapon, which cannot be
used if the ship is crippled or braced. It is only
effective against ships with shields down in the same
manner as teleporters. When used, the ship rolls to hit
on a 4+, range: 30cm. Holofields and being braced
both save normally against this. If a hit is rolled,
D3+1 snotling hordes are teleported onto the enemy
ship! If a miss is rolled, place a blast marker in base
contact with the vessel (even if shields are already
down) for the hordes of vacuum-frozen snotlings
bashing against the exterior of the hull.

>place a blast marker in base contact with the vessel (even if shields are already down) for the hordes of vacuum-frozen snotlings bashing against the exterior of the hull.

Captain: What's that tapping against the window Bosun?
Bosun: It appears to be several snotlings sir!
Snotling: Soooo... Coooollllld....

This stuff is gold.

bumpp

>>13945450
orks are always fun

bump because I relly don't want to fuck up a model. How does one paint papercraft?

>>13945450
>>13945171

>Klaws
while cool, I feel slightly sad that my nids are no longer the only space ships with CC weapons.

>>13945587
the same was as you paint normal models, it should be tough enough to cope with it if its tough enough for playing with.

That is sadly one of the problems with Orks.

A lot of players feel that the basic original rules just don't capture the theme right at all.

Having a lot of random number of shot weapons doesn't make them more Orky, it just makes them imperial ships with crap weapons.

Then really weird things like Ork Warlords not giving their ship a Leadership boost.

>>13945592

It took me a while to get what the Traktor Field upgrade did and then I realised that it was there to make it easier to get into base contact with stuff.

Damn, a Goff BattleKroozer with Claws, Mega-Nob Boarding parties and Turbo-Boosters basically zooms forwards at 4d6 a turn, before colliding with the enemy front line and attempting to grapple on.
If it does so, then it boards as well as Space Marines.
Although you'd need to pick 5 more squadrons just to field that one ship though.

Still.

>>13945694
The point cost of ork escorts is also lowered.

Orks' pros is autopassing AAF and succeeding in ramming actions with one leadership check. Statistically this makes them better rammers than the Imperial navy even with lower leadership, since IN takes two checks to succeed in ramming.

The Clanz list does seem a step in the right direction for Orks.

Instead of random strength weapons having lots of ships with different weapons as the Mek boyz of each ship try to out do each other...and of course the different Kaptains try to get the ship kitted out in a way they like.

Heck perhaps even randomly generating the ships equipment...weapons, armour, hitpoints, shields, turrets, etc...

Certainly I'd never expect two Ork ships to be exactly the same, unless it was a squadron with like minded Meks.

>>13945637

Warlords double boarding value and as long as you use the Armada list also essentially grant a re-roll on ship Ld as they can swap values of their big ship with another vessel.

Seems to be that the Clans list allows you to get rid of 15cm heavy gunz.

Dethdeala with power fields and looted lances is 330 points, and

Type/Hits: Battleship/12
Speed: 20 cm
Turns: 45*
Armour:6+prow/5+
Shields: 3
Turrets: 3

Port/Starboard Gunz - 30 cm - d6+4 - L/R
Port/Starboard Lance Battery - 30 cm - 2 - L/R
Dorsal Launch Bay - Fighta-bommaz/Assault Boats - d3+1 - NA
Prow Gunz - 45 cm - d6+6 - Front
Prow Bombardment Cannon - 30 cm - 6 Front

Soopa Enginez - 4d6 on AAF

The original was 275 points with two shields and S6 15 cm heavy gunz in place of lances, those barely ever hit anyone.

>>13945767

I didn't mean Warlords were bad, but yeah it's just odd that they can like "take the best crew from their fleet" onto a ship that crew has no experience in.

A Warlord would still be better at shouting orders and motivating his crew to work faster than a regular captain though, I'd class that as worth +1 leadership.

It is one of the most minor ... issues I have with Orks though. Compared to the whole fleet not really feeling very Orky.

>>13945860

Ork ships are continous works in process, it makes sense that the ship that they're in makes no difference for the vast majority.

Presumably the Warlord would keep his Meks at his side, and those are the guys who matter when it comes to the systems. And for even them, it's instinctual.

The Blood Axes getting to use some Imperial/Chaos escorts seems like a lot of fun just for the added character.

Actually the more I look at the Clanz list even if it is only a draft, the more I like it.

Needs more options for gubbins and stuff in my opinion though...but then I would want all my ships to be slightly different.

>>13945860

Warlords do still provide those Ld reroll though. And each reroll comes with an upgrade.

same bump guy here bumping another awesome thread


BFG is underplayed and awesome

Cant you use papercraft to make the ships?

>>13944746
To make the joke more awesome you should give them a base, tho, and maybe some cannons. You know, like you were serious

bump

Escorts are 1.5-1.6 kms.
Destroyers are 1km.
Light cruisers are 4.5km
Cruisers are 5km.

From Rogue Trader RPG.

>>13948368

Seems about right, certainly not too bad for a rough scale.

The light cruiser is perhaps a little big for me but there would be so much variation even between ships of the same class built in the same shipyard never mind built in different ones.

Necron List.

1,000 List.
2x Harvest @ 275 = 550
2x Shroud @155 = 310
2x Jackal @50 = 100
1x Dirge @40 = 40

1,250 List.
2x Harvest @ 275 = 550
2x Shroud @155 = 310
3x Jackal @50 = 150
6x Dirge @40 = 240

1,500 List.
3x Harvest @ 275 = 825
1x Shroud @155 = 155
8x Jackal @50 = 400
3x Dirge @40 = 120

What do you think? Basic enough to get the gist of things without being too basic to pick up the finer points?

Wondering how to make the bases... think I might go for something interesting.

>>13950650
You can normally get like these hex bases pretty cheap on ebay, just glue a circle to the underside of the correct size, even card board is good enough for game play.
Got 30 of them off Ebay for $8 recently.

>>13950650
Necron BFG list? GTFO.

>>13951703

Bite it, he's got shrouds and escorts. That's not a powergamer list, each of those 4 hp light cruisers is worth a 3 shield 10 HP grand cruiser in VP's.

>>13950650

If this thread is still around when I wake up tommorow, I will gladly test any one of these lists out with you on vassal.

>>13951703
>>13951762
Not even that. They are a Learn The System list. They're a display cabinet list. Necrons look like easy-mode when it comes to scratch building them. Glad to hear that Shrouds and Escorts are considered a lower powered choice. I like those units a lot.

>>13951675
Just dropped by the hardware store. Picked up washers, plasterboard screws, Araldite and epoxy putty. Your bases are .27 cents a piece (US?), mine work out to be ~.60 cents NZ. Damn.

>>13952129
Maybe... I run Linux and I can't remember what Vassal requires. I've never used Vassal although I think I've downloaded some client or something for it. You'd have to hold my hand throughout the entire process. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even a tripfag.

>>13954060

just so you know, the smaller base that most ships use is 32mm diameter. though marking that distance and measuring to there on your bases should be fine if you don't want to have to redo them all. Height doesn't matter for the rules at all.

Also that was $8 AUS (or slightly over I can't remember exactly) I got them from the UK.

Washers are a good idea though i'll have to see if I can get some the right size.

>>13954307
Damn again. I browsed around the web for the correct base sizes and read that the sizes were 40mm and 60mm. The top washer is 33mm, I could use two of those washers... shit, that doesn't work. Wait, as it is it works, well, 1mm over sized, I'll pain the bottom washer a different colour and use the top washer for measuring.

$8 AUS is pretty good. I'm not sure that paying almost twice as much is worth the added strength in the stand but it's too late now.

>>13954867
yeah theres a 40mm round base GW uses, but its just a normal base not one of the clear flying bases.
1mm won't make a difference. people won't even know unless you tell them or they decide to be anal about things and measure.

Took apart a digital camera from early 2000's, little calculator/PA from the 90's and a TV.

The glass lenses looks pretty cool, pity they are all different sizes. Couple of interesting circuit boards. TV has really complex resistors on it, but it looks a bit jumbled for what I perceive as Necrons.

Yeah, the TV circuit board is fantastic for something, I'm just not sure that it would be fantastic for Necrons.

How do Tau play? I got the sense that they were mostly dependent on barrages of their missiles, going by the fact that they tend to have a lot of missile systems and that their missiles are more maneuverable than others. Is it pretty much all about dem torpedoes?

>>13956712
Just from looking at the rules, it seems like they play similarly to how they could play in 40k; Niche units involving various races. Ships with reasonably long range, reasonably high strength attacks reasonably priced (Air Caste), a couple of expensive, interesting, highly destructive tarpit(?) ships (Demiurg), cheap merchant class vessels (no idea/distractions?) and high defence, slow, 360 degree powerhouses(?) (Kroot).

Someone who actually plays will be able to tell you more, but on paper they look incredibly fun to play.

The GW website has the pdfs for free download. Look under the Specialist Games header.

>>13956634
i imagine it could be good for Necrons, for the escorts I;m sure just a simple crescent of Plasticard with plates of circuit board on top and your done. add pyramids to taste.
All those little surface mount resistors and stuff make good detailing for ships.

>>13956712

Pretty much. Their fighters are nothing to sneeze at either.
Basically, Tau are all about the ordinance, and keeping the opposition at range. Which their high maneouvability helps with.

>>13954060

>Maybe... I run Linux and I can't remember what Vassal requires. I've never used Vassal although I think I've downloaded some client or something for it. You'd have to hold my hand throughout the entire process. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even a tripfag.

According to the website there's a version of vassal designed for Linux, so it should be much of a problem. Once you start the program up, tell it to open this module:

http://www.mediafire.com/?1p7a3rf36ir6cui

And that's basically it.

>>13957109
The solder is really uneven on the TV board. It looks too organic. The camera circuit board is really precise, but it would only make a couple of ships.

Gonna think about this for a moment. I know there's a way around it.

>>13957406
Sorry dude, in model making mode at the moment.

Where is that Scripty guy when you need him?

I should just ask myself: What would Scriptarius do?

Indent the mother fucker.

>>13957441

Not a problem at all.

>>13957414
well you don't need many ships at first.
and you can always get more stuff to rip apart.

>>13957441
>What would Scriptarius do? If he was here to-day
>He'd make a plan and he'd follow through
>That's what Lord Scriptarius would do.

>When Scriptarius made the Gungerbreadnaught
>Even in death he is still edible
>All of four-chan saw his work
>and declared commence fesitvaaal

>When Scriptarius was in the army,
>Fighting grizzly bears
>But then his headaches came
>And he now he regrows his luxurious locks of hair

>What would Scriptarius do? If he was here to-day
>He'd surely kick an arse or two!
>That's what Lord Scriptarius would do.

>When Scriptarius travelled through time
>To the year 3010
>He mounted up in the Gingemperor Maximus
>And saved us all again

>When Scriptarius sratchbuilt Sanguinius
>He beat up Jublha Khan

>Cos Scriptarius doesn't take shit from anyyyyy-bod-eeeeyy (apart from the government and 4chan and his own body)

>So come over here my honey
>And come and take off my pants
>and I'm going to make dirty love to you
>Because that's what scriptarius would do
>Yes, I'm going to make dirty love to you
>Because that's what Scriptarius would do

fixed

>>13957491

>>13957499
Zog me its Bootiful

>>13957491
>>13957448

HEY!

Did we ever offload that torso of the Pixy we recovered at Pezun?!

anyone got an idea of scratch built 3D blast markers? seen some 3D markers on some site selling tokens and stuff but I don't like the plastic look.
anyone with an idea how to make realistic looking (well at least, rule of cool realistic) explosions in space?

Did some need me?

>>13957597
something like this maybe?
but more orange

>>13957625
Yo.

The greystuff is max 3mm thick. Once it's hardened I'll take it off the plastic backing, trim it down to a proper crescent, possibly glue right and left sides together, then glue top and bottom together.

Think it'll work? Pic is just test putty, but I think it worked pretty well. Really hard to get the right shape off the bat.

>>13957680

When scrolling past, I thought these were turds

>>13957569

Yes? It's how Ookawara knows about how Gundam's a powered by multiple small but efficient energy reactors instead of just one HUEG one like Zeon mobile suits.

>>13957680
I don't see why it wouldn't work, but then again I can't be 100% sure because I haven't tried.
I say go for it.

>>13957597
Well...

I used to work with epoxy resin. You could suspend an explosion in a cube of resin. I was thinking about doing this for the squadrons of fighters, torpedos, asteroids... that kind of thing. In the distant future. Far distant future.

Problem is epoxy resin is a bitch to work with, expensive and an industrial type material. I saw ULTRA CLEAR Araldite TM, but I've never worked with that before.

>>13957704
Awesome. Cheers.

>>13957691

The colour IS a little unfortunate.

So, here's a tentative experiment with the new Ork Clan rules

Warlord 2 Rerolls in
Gorbags Revenge + Assault Ship and Mega Armoured Boarding Parties + Evil Suns clan

5 Evil Sunz Ravager Escorts
5 Evil Sunz Onslaught Gunships
2 Terror Ships

1 Warlords with 2 ReRolls in
Ammer Battlekroozer with Looted Torpedoes and Tellyporta

4 Deathskulls Savages
4 Deathskulls Savages
4 Deathskulls Ravagers

Total: 2000pts

The Deathskull escorts all get looted Torpedoes and the Savages replace their heavy gunz with Lances. Admittedly, they're still 15cm range, but you can't have everything. The Tellyporta will probably pay for itself if the Ammer kroozer remembers to keep behind the escorts and stays moderately out of trouble.
The Battleship is going to murderise someone though.

Think I'm done for the night. Will continue tomorrow once the putty has set.

>>13957691

It's the florescent lights, they fuck with the colour of the photos. I haven't worked out how to set the camera to acknowledge the lights. If I'm taking photos it's usually with natural light.

And that whole, shaped like turds thing.

>>13957980
I'll hit you up some time in the near future for a game over vassal if I can get it working.

bump

>>13958003
Open in Photoshop CS5
Image -> Auto Tone
Image -> Auto Color
And you get this.

Won't work all too well if there's nothing that's plain white or neutral grey in the pic (so put a bit of paper somewhere where it can be cropped out afterwards if the motif&background lack anything such), or for the most atrocious cases of tinting, but it generally gets the job done.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5628169/ADOBE_PHOTOSHOP_CS5_EXTENDED_EDITION_%5Bthethingy%5D

what vassal module for bfg is good?

I downloaded VBFG 2.1, but there is no one to play with currently.

Hey, if anyone wants to play BFG on Vassal sometime, just let me know. I've been looking for other players for awhile. Also, general 40k playing on vassal would be nice.

>>13959542


#13958708 here. I am rather new to the rules. I have several free days, so if you bear with me for 1-2 practice runs, I am ready to go.

[email protected]

>>captcha: eheurik leafblower

bump

Thanks for keeping it alive.

Checked out the putty, looks pretty good. Comes off plastic easy, cuts well. Testing out sanding at the moment.

Quick job sanding and trimming off the feathery bits.

Think it worked pretty well. Crescents are probably not the easiest thing to start off with, straight lines are much easier.

All I need to do is stick on some resistors and capacitors and such then give it a quick paint and we'll see what they look like.

Tyranids seem really good at carrier type actions...

>>13964404
they are, its perfectly feasable to get 32 launch bays backed up by 24 boarding torpedos on the table at 1500 points.

>>13964089
looks good.
might I suggest making a small stepped pyramid out of layers of plastic for the "bridge" all the actual models seem to have it

>>13944338
Where can I find these?

>>13964512
Yeah, for sure. It's difficult to get the angles right on such a small motif, but the pyramids are pretty much a necessity.

>>13964840
They were just "on the web", the site said they were long sold out.

>>13965035
So I've seen, but I did manage to find some...

Christ, reading through this thread makes me want to play BFG again. Any advice for Eldar and Chaos Fleets?

>Captcha: inian microhiol
microhiol? is that some sort of alcohol for midgets?

>>13965035
eh just be lazy, get 1 mm or so thick plastic (or even cereal box cardboard) and cut progressively smaller squares out of it. then layer them up into a pyramid.
If you want smooth sides it should be easy to then put a little putty on it.
Or use part of D8 to make a simple mold.

>>13965184
Good call... that's much, much easier. New X-acto blades are now on my shopping list. They were before, but they have been bumped up to "required" status.

>>13965176
Exodite Eldar riding around on space turtles. It is my dream.

>>13965060
You found some that you could purchase? Where? I'm already searching eBay.

The Free Planets Alliance would be Chaos.

Found it easy to shape little pyramids out of putty. Tried cutting the cured ships into crescents, but circles are very hard to get right. I'd either need to have a mask (a coin maybe? and a pipe for the inside?) or at least guide lines. Ideally, I like something to punch down, like a hole punch. Starting to get into production run ideas that way though...

>>13944435
>80's
Erm, 1999...

>>13967156
hm.

Once you have a completed ship, you could probably use that same putty to make a simple pushmold, then crank out fleets and fleets. Thats if most of the detail you wanted was on the top.

two-part mold would work as well, though it would be a little more of a bother.

>Implying this isn't the best piece of art ever produced by GW

>>13944338

>>13967400

>>13967400
Problem with this one is that it's in German. And BFG.

Also, long thread is long

>>13967400
They are starting to grow on me. Sometimes I get distracted with bad paint jobs. I've been looking at more models with good painting and they are pretty sweet. 1999? That makes me feel younger. I thought all those Specialist Games were old hat when I started.

>>13967505
http://red-shoulders.blogspot.com/2010/07/review-112000-heldensagen-vom.html
From what I've read, they'd be perfect for BFG.
But ~$80 USD for 8 ships. That's on par with GW.

>>13967330
Two part mold is the plan. These are alright, but I think I'll end up doing a putty cast for future models. Doing a master model is going to be really awesome, those little pyramids were a lot of fun, simple but fun. Eldar should be great.

Well. That was a fun ride.

If you've never played around with putty, I strongly recommend you try it. It's awesome and you can do a lot with it.

Not sure about the bottom of the ships, those top two are meant to be the underside, the two ships on the bottom of the picture are the right way up. Think the underside has too much crap on it like that. Might look different once it's on a base though.

Thanks for your help, everyone.

So guys, tell me what you think of this list:


Terminus Est -430
-CSM Crew -35
-Chaos Lord -25
-Chosen Terminators

Carnage Cruiser -180

Carnage Cruiser -180

Devastation Cruiser -190
-CSM Crew -35

Slaughter Cruiser -165


1250 points on the head. I'm going to be fighting SPESS MUHREENS next, and i'm wondering how solid this is against them.

>>13968808
to be honest I think you should just leave them with the pressed in details on the underside, maybe a small pyramid or 2. Its not like your gonna see it much anyway.

>>13968824

It's alright, but you don't really need CSM crew for the Devastation.

Slaughter is so fast that it will get separated from your other ships, seeing as you only have one, you could remove it and the CSM crew of the Devastation, and replace those with an Acheron (the best 45 cm broadside of all chaos cruisers or heavy cruisers) or a Hades (more overall firepower, better prow-on).

>>13968874
I agree.

>>13968824
Don't try to act cool, you play SPESS MUHREENS too.

Bumping an awesome thread with a new fleet that is almost complete.

>>13971683
>>13971709
Can you take more pictures? Like {Front, Back, Side, Top}, of the models?

Those look awesome. Damn.

>>13971683
Are the two unpainted ships in the background FW light cruisers? If so, are they any good?c

>>13971709
I don't suppose your open for commission work?

>>13973211
The bulb I usually use is out so its hard to take decent pictures.

1/3 WIP hornets

These are close up, I guess.

>>13971709

>>13976799
>>13976759
>>13976727
>>13976703

Thank you very, very much. Studying models now.

Oh good, this thread is still here. What does /tg/ think of my freshly-built Ork Krooza? Partly inspired by this gentleman's fine work >>13945072 (though not very much like it at all). No idea what specific class its supposed to be, I don't play BFG... (yet?)

And thanks to the guy who suggested gift cards as poor-man's card stock.

>>13978241
Looks fantastic, suitably Orky.

I'm not overly happy with the Necron ships I've made. They're fine in a pinch but certainly not cast worthy and having a bunch of unique ships would be acceptable for most races (required for Orks), Necrons just seems like the ships would be almost exactly the same. Tau would suffer the same fate.

Brainstorm for Scratch Built BFG. Feel free to contribute.

Necrons: We see a lot of crescent shapes. Using the inscriptions from various 40k illustrations a new shape could be used. Also Egyptian Ankhs, Pharaoh Headdress shapes, Various Crucifixes. Dyson Spheres would suit their 360 degree weapon thing. Currently experimenting with a pseudo Dyson structure.

Eldar: Space Turtles ala Discworld. Mega Project: Build a Craftworld as BFG terrain.

Orks: Attach enough rokkits to something and it will fly.

Chaos: Daemon possessed ships. Or just big Daemons. Bonus points if Skeleton Jelly's "My brain is full of tiny animals" is referenced. If you want to get anime over it, use the Antispirals Face Ship Things from TTLGL.

Apt Captcha is apt.

>>13979962
I just oiled up a golf ball (not an uncommon statement on 4chan, but possibly a first for /tg/ related).

It is 4cm in diameter, which puts it in the Cruiser Class. Guess I'm making a Harvest Ship, although that implies that a Tomb Ship would be 10cm in diameter. Very large. The first layer of putty is on it, I'll build up the layers with detail before cutting parts off (carefully adding placed for pins as needed. I'm thinking really big, heavy pins are needed), pinning the segments together when I assemble it. Obviously some segments will be discarded to show the inside of the sphere. The segments will need to be in small parts so I can cast them without warping them.

As long as nothing warps, this should work.

The Specialist Games' rules committee's additions to BFG got finalized yesterday. It's a total of 170 pages, and will be kept up in googledocs until this week's Friday morning for proofreading, and on Friday submitted to GW. After that, it should appear on the main GW site.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bw_dULEfC3rbYzUyNjQzZTAtMDZiMS00ZjRlLWJjNzMtYTE5YmNjZjdjODQ1

>>13981944
Awesome...

>Battlefleet Bakka

>>13981944

Are these the final draft PDFs? Or do they still have the giant DRAFT watermark on them?

>>13982240

It is the Strongest.

>>13982348

Final versions, the only thing that will be changed before Friday are typos etc.

Friday morning the package will be sent to GW and likely also taken down from googledocs.

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/sg/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ce3cfb2918c4ac114bed657ead2ea308&to
pic=2486.0

>>13982348
>Goes to read Battlefleet Bakka PDF to back up claims
>Comes across the Endurance and Endevour class light cruisers

Fuck me. These things are INSANE, the Endevour is basically a pocket Gothic Cruiser for 60 points less, although the Endevour is a bit more sensible.

The Havoc and Viper Escorts are pretty crazy as well. One has more gun than a Gladius Escort, the other is a Cobra with 3 torpedoes.

>>13982439

Endeavour and Endurance were already official, they're in Armada.

The non-Bakka versions got their point cost dropped to 110 points to be balanced with the 3-turret Bakka versions.

As for the Gothic comparison, an Endurance's broadside strength is 2 batteries and 2 lances, this isn't going to supplant Gothic since lances are roughly worth 3 batteries each due to being unaffected by gunnery chart and ignoring armour. A better comparison would be a Tau Merchant class.

Sow hat is the typical points-total used by most BFG players? Grand fleets of a half dozen cruisers, a score of escorts and a battleship or two, or just a few cruisers and a handful of escorts?

Though I have a feeling it varies much more than 40k or such.

>>13982418
Oh come on, why does it say I'm banned from seeing this forum? I've never even been to it before.

>>13983355

Personally I would say 1000-1500pts is a fine sized game. 3000-4000+ and games probably start to take a very long time...I've never actually owned a fleet that big though.

One variation I do like however, and it is something which works well with low points games to add an interesting edge, and is good if you have a few people with nothing to do or people who don't really know the game well.

Work out roughly equal fleets then give each cruiser or squadron of escorts to one person.

Because of the order system in BFG team games become really tactical as different people might think they have a better case to be first to roll for special orders.

Stick a time limit on how long the teams have to discuss things, it is supposed to be a pressing combat situation after all, and watch as it all falls appart if someone doesn't take charge or the person in charge makes a mistake.

Also add in things like individual victory points or objectives per player and you could see allies deciding not to rush quite so quickly to the aid of the person who argued to roll for orders first and failed blowing it for everyone.

>>13983355

I've seen mostly 1500 point lists or 1000 point for quicker games. Anything at 2k or over tends to take too long.

>>13984311

300 points, any ships allowed is quite fun, could be a cruiser and an escort squadron could be a grand cruiser and an admiral

>>13984311

What about 500 points? Way too small? I'm guessing probably given most cruisers run 150-250 points.

>>13984389

Sounds fun. I would like to try nothing but 300 points of ork ram ships.

>>13984404
12 escorts, brutal, would be like playing asteroids, whats the turns on them?

>>13984399

500-750 is good for a really quick game or when you are just learning.

Lets you take 2-3 cruisers and a squadron or two of escorts depending on what you pick, certainly enough to have a bit of everything which means you can play different scenarios and things.

if you buy a starter box and a squadron of escorts you can make up 500 points, the new rules make escorts more competetive luckily, i liked them but they died far too easily especialy to carrier spam

Guy who built this Krooza ( >>13978241 ) here, can someone give me a run-down on how Orks are in BFG? I'm hearing some conflicting things, especially about Fighta-Bommas and Escorts. I'm assuming this is because of the 2010 FAQ, which apparently has some changes to Fighta-Bommas.

I'm definitely considering getting into BFG, and orks would be awesome as I love the kitbash/scratchbuild part of the hobby, but I'd like to know more about them before I go cobbling another koorza and some escorts together.

>>13986802
Here is some excellent ork tactica: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/archive/bfgmag/warprift29.pdf

In summary, orks are good if you play to their strengths, but their strengths aren't necessarly intuitive for orks. Their escorts are a bit naff, some of their battleships are a trap and they're no good with guns. What you want is as many warlords as possible: stick one on a battleship and the rest on kill kroozers. They can easily board any ship to death. Most of the rest of your points should be spent on terror ships so you can fling ludicrious ammounts of fighta bombers at people.

Drown people in ordinance. Gut them with ork mobs on their own ships. That's how orks work best in BFG.

i dont play them but they have good front armour and good front guns, they start with lots of hits, and are better at boarding than imperials ( equal with chaos ) fighter bombers, escorts are getting better across the board, orc ones are getting upgrades as well

before the new fleet came out i bum raped orcs by keeping range and concentrating fire on isolated ships i made sure if it was gonna be in range of my ships i would either crip it or make it brace

>>13986993
While Chaos can have the same sorts of boarding bonus as orks, Orks are much more efficient at it. Chaos get a natural +1 bonus, but to get more than that they need a chaos lord (50 points) and then a mark of Khorne (20 points) to double their boarding value. Orks just need a warboss (40 points) to double their boarding value then they can buy mega armoured boarding parties (15 points) for that final +1. 70 points for chaos but only 55 points for orks - and the ork cruisers have more hit points so they have a higher boarding value naturally!

Mark of Nurgle is a killer though. Those ships need to be bombed to death.

>>13987395
better speed and manauverability on chaos mind, though armour 6 prows help orcs, what are orc light cruisers like? worth taking as boarders?

>>13987395
war bosses dont do that anymore, instead you get a free one per 500 points, he adds +2 to any one boarding roll, comes with a free re roll an all, can make the crew goffs for 20 points, gives +1 to boarding(for+2 total) and +1 ld for ramming

>>13979962
>Using the inscriptions from various 40k illustrations a new shape could be used.

Painted my Krooza today. And thanks for the comments on the Orks.

>>13992581
Zog me, it's beautiful.

>>13992581
That thing looks dead killy. Damn nice job, chief.

I'll throw it against the Lackey of Dubious Loyalty and her own minions at some point.

>Just moved to a new state for my IT job.

>Have a 5000 point Adeptus Mechanicus fleet.

>No gaming group in my area plays BFG


FML!!!

>>13987736

These lists are in addition to those already in GW site.

So if you play the Ork Pirates fleet without any battleships or battlekroozers from the main rulebook or the Armageddon invasion fleet from Armada, your warlords work like described there.

The Clans list on the other hand is the one that offers access to stuff like looted lances and Goff crews. It was one of Andy Chambers' projects that was now finished by the rules committee.

This thread is amazing. Over the span of... five days (so far) we have witnessed the birth of an entire Necron fleet, at least one custom Ork ship (nicely done on both projects, by the way), and a healthy discussion of a specialist game, all of which are sadly rare today.

To keep from wasting the precious remaining posts (we're at 220), I'm going to ask, What do I need to really get into BFG? The core book, obviously, but I'm seeing a ton of .pdfs and other files from a variety of sources. Which are the most important, and what do various ones do?

>>13994498
>What do I need to really get into BFG? The core book, obviously, but I'm seeing a ton of .pdfs and other files from a variety of sources. Which are the most important, and what do various ones do?

I'm seconding this question. I'm looking to start a Mechanicus fleet.

>>13994498

All PDF's that are in GW's site are as official as it gets, DL them and take your pick.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat480005a&categoryId=1100007&se
ction=&aId=4300022

the pdf's in >>13981944 will be sent to GW in Friday, although there is no telling how long it takes for them to put those up too. Regardless, they're also made by the rules committee set by GW and are accepted in tournaments like Adepticon.

Bump

>>13997497
You know what would be cool for BFG? A Rak'Gol fleet. I bet it would probably be something akin to a mass of fast escorts with short ranged but devastating fire. Perhaps run a bunch of counts as Ork Savage gunships?

all you need

basic rules
advanced rules
scenarios
rules for your fleet- if playing ad mech thats 'ships of the gothic sector' and 'ships of mars'

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat480005a&categoryId=1100007&se
ction=&aId=4300022

You know, I should someday get around to painting the Chaos ships I got when the game first came out. My bad choice of color scheme makes it hard though.

So what's the general theme of Tau fleets? From a quick overview they seem to have cheap crappy ships with ordnance that's accurate but peters out.

>>14001810
they're similar to how they are on the table top. A focus on long range firepower. Like imperials many of their ships have more heavily defended prows. Unlike imperials though most of their fire power points forwards rather than in broadsides.
They also have the best Ordnance in the game. almost always in greater quantities than an enemy fleet.

they're on the slow end though and not as maneuverable so if you can get amongst them you can generally wreak havoc (especially if yous tart boarding them), But its an IF you get there.

What are the best fan websites for this game? Normally when I want to start a new army, let alone a new game, I'll go to the fan sites and read the lists to see what is good and what is not. Can anyone post an Imperial list, preferably with a battleship or two? Theirs is the only one I'd consider, aside from Chaos. Are there any sub-factions involved?

Wow, thread is still here! I went down to my FLGS again today and built some escorts for my Krooza.

Not quite as satisfied with these, the scale is hard to work with and I found myself having trouble finding bits to create the main body of the ships.

Not sure how "orky" they look. I'm hoping a paintjob will help improve things, I plan on trying my hand at dags, checkers and the like.

>>14006597
Hmm, not bad. I'd put some more rivets and maybe some plasticard plates on there somewhere, make the round edges straighter, less even.

>>14006597
Needs more rivets.

>>14006685
>>14006693

I tried making rivets out of my gift/plasticard but I couldn't get anything small enough that looked good. For one it was too thick ultimately. My krooza only has a few rivets I added in using plasticard.

Got tips on making rivets?

Go get a small diameter hole punch, those things are awesome.
Here's an example of their use
http://www.kan.org/michael/mkp/rivets.php