WTF is this shit I want in.

>>14681890
Samurai Space Marines.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Rising_Sons
Look up the previous threads in the archive for more info. The wiki isn't completely filled out, yet.

Well id it's nips the obvious colourscheme should include red or else your betraying the historical theme.

>>14682045
We actually went through a bunch of color scheme involving red. It's not supposed to be Japan as much as it is samurai-era Japan. We wanted to make a color scheme that reflected samurai armor and tons upon tons of historical suits of armor were looked to for inspiration. We found that black or dark blue armor with gold lace were extremely popular, so we went with that. The chapter badge is red and white, though.

As long as this shit doesn't turn into a weaboo fest I approve.

I feel like people wont get a Samurai vibe from it. It just looks like a Night Lord, especialy with a red emblem

>>14682067
Funny enough, the idea sprang from a weeaboo hate thread.
However, the majority of the fluff has been inspired by Japanese history rather than pop culture. The think the only anime reference made thus far is Battle Barge Yamato.

>>14682077

Yamato is a nice name, reminds me of the Battlecruiser special ability from starcraft.

And I like this Rising Sons idea more than the Emperor's children.

I might try to contribute but i'll wait to see how things progress so i can have a nice base to work with.

And please lets not have these guys use Power Katana's or some shit...

Stick to chainswords...

>>14682077
how is that an anime reference wasnt the yamato just a battleship

>>14682092
Too bad. We've got power katana. They are samurai, after all. u mad?

>>14682094
There was a popular anime where the battleship Yamato was rebuilt into a starship with a giant laser cannon. I'm thinking the battle barge has a similar feature.

>>14682095

Son, I am dissapoint.

>>14682105
What's so wrong with power katanas? White Scars can have power scimitars and Space Wolves can have power axes, but Rising Sons can't have power katanas? It's not like we're giving them cartoonishly huge swords so that they may fight alongside magic girl Sisters or anything!

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU HAVE THEM USE POWER KATANAS? THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED
CHAINSWORDS, AND CHAINSWORDS ON A STICK AND YOU HAVE YOUR BLADED WEAPONS COVERED.

>>14682123
We've gone 3 whole threads and not a single person has objected to power katanas. What's so objectionable about them, again?

>>14682119
No he actually has a point.

>>14682119

They seem to underpowered to me.. Not feasable nor usefull in combat.

I mean sure Katanas are AWESOME , But for Space Marines they are kind of "Meh" because of their bulky mass.

see where im going?

Nothing wrong with Katanas. Im just thinking this from an aestethical and practical point of view.

>>14682070
Aesthetically , they have sashimono and crests tacked into their helmets. Officers have samurai coats over their armor. The color scheme my be vaguely similar, but there's more to it than just that.

>>14682128
IF YOU DO NOT SEE WHAT IS WRONG WITH POWER KATANAS, ANY EXPLANATION I GIVE WILL BE POINTLESS.

>>14682139
It's essentially a power sword, just like any other power sword. How is that underpowered?

>>14682151
Then it isn't a very good explanation, is it?

>>14682147
Fair point

>>14682152

Im trying to point out their use against the possible enemies they might encounter.

Think of it this way

A chainsword will always be MORE usefull in any given situation than a power katana.

A power sword is much more durable and stronger than a power katana.

Why would a chapter pick looks over efficiency?

>>14682180
What makes a power sword more durable than a power katana? You realize that we're talking about Warhammer 40,000, right? Aesthetics ALWAYS take priority over practicality! The only difference between a power sword and a power katana is the shape! That's it. There's no issue of durability or practicality.

>>14682180
I think what they are saying is that its the same size and power as a power sword, just a Katana

>>14682180
>A chainsword will always be MORE usefull in any given situation than a power katana.
>A power sword is much more durable and stronger than a power katana.

And you've come to this conclusion how?

Naginata > Katana.

I move that we instead of the katanas we just put all the chainswords on sticks.

>>14682200
Yeah, we've confirmed power naginatas too. Especially with chaplains. Look into the other thread, guys. They're on the wiki and in the archives.

>>14682205
wiki link ples

>>14682205
>power naginata
>Power katanas

So how many special weapons is this chapter gonna get?

>>14682195
>>14682192

Fair point at the shape part, but please do keep in mind how a normal sword is wielded in comparison to a katana.

Id like to stress this issue in order to contribute to this fine lore not to break it.

Heres an ideea they could have Naginata's with bolters (Think Custodes)

or just power naginata's.

>>14682215
They're just special ways of saying power swords and power glaives. They're just shaped slightly differently. Other chapters do this, too.
You should've been where when someone was trying to push bow-shaped bolters. We drew the line there, thankfully.

protip: if that's the paint scheme you guys chose it's ugly as fuck. Consider this constructive criticism.

>>14682219
Yeah, as I said earlier, chaplains commonly use power naginatas (and wrap their heads or helmets in a cowl ala Japanese warrior monk).
I'll probably get to work on the wiki this evening so you guys can see what we have, so far.

>>14682238
We went through dozens of paint schemes and this one has been well-received so far. We're still open to more ideas if you think you can do better.
Mine you, we're looking for a samurai armor theme rather than a red and white theme.

>>14682238
Sage aside.
He's right.
The paint scheme is fucking ugly.

>>14682242

Please do, I read the current wiki, but couldn't be asked to go through the early threads because my eyes hurt.

So, Naginatas with or without bolters? Powered? Chainbladed?

>>14682263
It can probably come in all forms, depending on who is wielding it. If the Ultramarines taught me anything, it's that space marines are a-okay with special snowflake weaponry.

>>14682255
Why can't it be red and white again?
Fuck, Yellow and Black would be more fitting AND look better.
This is just ripping off the dream-marines.

>>14682278
Yea...
With their one, purely ceremonial, weapon they surely are much more special-snowflakey than these guys.
Y'know, with their special dress, special weapons, special chapter structure, etc.

>>14682287
I told you, we're trying to go with a color scheme reminiscent of samurai armor. We're trying to use unconventional colors combos.
Like I said. If you think you can provide a better looking color scheme, be my guest. This is by no means the final scheme, but until we can get people to agree on a replacement, the OP pic is the current color scheme.
Now quit your bitching and get on bolterandchainsword.

>>14682219
What the fuck is a "normal" sword? Is it a British 1796LC? A Victorian fencing sabre? A Swedish m/1761 pallasch? The Munich longsword? The Conyers falchion? A khopesh? A gladius? A claidhem mor? The Wallace Collection A636 rapier?

Long story short, it isn't just because you posted a Chinese polearm while talking about naginata that we can tell you don't really know jack shit about swords and how they are used. So kindly stop blabbering about whatever stereotypes it is you have picked up and treat as universal truths.

If you actually want to learn, hang around over at www.myarmoury.com, www.swordforum.com, www.nihontomessageboard.com and http://www.armsandarmourforum.com/forum/ for half a decade or so. Combined with a few good books and some general poking around that'll give you a decent basis. Oh, and make sure you get to handle some real swords, old originals or at the very least high end replicas. Odd are it'll be quite an eye-opener in regards to the variation that's out there.

You need red to convey your goal. Right now they just look like Emperor's Children

>>14682304
>implying samurai armor had an uniform color scheme.
YEA IT'S NOT LIKE PRETTY MUCH EVERY CLAN HAD INDIVIDUAL COLOURS OR ANYTHING.

Reposting the drawfaggotry so people get an idea of what they should look like.

Also, if anyone saved the examples of converted minis from the previous threads...

Froma modeling perspective, and a historical one, vladed naginatas are better. You can use grey knights bit if you actually want to run the army.
Other suggestions:
Make the left shoulder pad red.
Rules suggestion, Uber Grit, that way a glaive and a bolt pistol can be used on a model while still technically having a bolter

>>14682299
Welcome to homebrewing space marines. This is us when we're trying to keep the special snowflaking at a minimum. You should have been here when people were trying to push for separate color schemes and chapter badges for each company.
I'll remind you again, there are canon space marine chapters with unique weapons and armor features.

>>14682310

Who invited /k/ nazis ?

>>14682219

That is a highly stylized guan dao, a Chinese version of the glaive, not a naginata.

>>14682319
Actually, instead of that, how about a red circle on the shoulder, or maybe on the backpack?

>>14682316
Actually colors weren't according to clan. Often individual samurai had different colors for their armor (although there have been instances of daimyo mandating a unified color).
I already told you. We went through a ton of suits and found that dark blue and black with gold trim was common.
How did this happen? We go 3 threads of smooth sailing and suddenly, new people are trying to jump in and bitch and moan about every goddamn feature we agreed on 2 threads ago.
I appreciate your input guys, but please understand some of this stuff has been agreed upon unanimously by the people who first started working on it.

>>14682310
GREAT, YOU CAN RATTLE OFF SOME BASKET HILTED SWORDS, RAPIERS AND EXOTIC SWORDS.
A NORMAL SWORD IS A FUCKING LONGSWORD.
DON'T GIVE ME YOUR FAGGOTRY, YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE ONE I FUCKING MEAN.
A MEDIEVAL EUROPEAN CRUCIFORM SWORD.

>>14682219

This is the shape of a naginata. Note the similarity to a katana blade. Naginata's are somewhat different from many other pole weapons because their blade is essentially a full on sword blade with a tang.

>>14682355
Alrighty, then.
What do we need to actually get done now?

Well the scheme still looks awful.

>>14682366

Alright thanks, now I know.


Since the Bolterandchainsword thing doesnt work, would anyone mind If I gave a try at color schemes using the armor painter in retribution?

>>14682369
Gimme about an hour or two to spruce up the wiki so you guys can see what we're working with.
I was not prepared for so many new people to jump onto the project.

>>14682362 A NORMAL SWORD IS A FUCKING LONGSWORD.

Which is kinda odd here, since last I looked your average power sword was a single-edged, single-handed sword with a D-guard.

>>A MEDIEVAL EUROPEAN CRUCIFORM SWORD.

This makes it all fit even worse, given that longswords are only a small subsection of the medieval European cruciforms swords, and many longswords also manage to be post-medieval.

And why should that specific sword type be the norm, did John Clements get elected world president or something?

Basically, people who aren't up to date on historical weapons shouldn't try to use "but in reality" as an argument when designing space marine power swords (and those whoa re up to date will probably know better than to try it themselves). At best it just looks silly, at worst it propagates any number of myths.

wow the thread is dead. good job fools

>>14682452
SINGLE EDGED D-GUARD SWORD?
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
POWER SWORDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN YOUR STANDARD ARMING SWORD IN SPACE!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THE CRUCIFORM SHAPE BECAME THE NORM?
BECAUSE IT WAS THE EUROPEAN NORM FOR ALMOST A THOUSAND YEARS, ARTWORK IS FILLED WITH IT, BOOKS WERE WRITTEN ABOUT THEIR USE, AND THE FAMOUS SWORDS HAD THAT SHAPE.
ARE YOU DENSE?
YOUR ELITISM HAS OVERSHADOWED YOUR COMMON SENSE.

>>14682773
Can you just... leave for a while? Maybe cool down until you stop feeling the need to type in caps?

>>14682787

He must be some kind of Angry Marine.

Hey. Stupid idea... but is it possible that in the same area that the Rising Suns reside in, there's one planet that a vaguely dutch sounding Rogue Trader dynasty decided to set up shop on? Fairly close ties with the Rising Sons, but rather european in their appearence/behaviour/culture...?

>>14682802
Possibly. Flesh it out and let's see what happens.

>>14682802

Portugese Empire here. Dutch merchant fleets can suck it.

>>14682810

Lemme think. Perhaps the Van Der Graffenhook trade dynasty settle in Yamato after uh... let's see here. Perhaps the dynasty found was so enamoured with the sector and it's eccentricities that he moved the entire dynasty's operations there, setting up shop on a hive world. Because there has to be a hive world in this subsector (that's one half GitS, one third Cyborg 009, and fill in the rest with Snow Crash or something else).

Anyway, the Van Der Graffenhooks maintain headquarters on a star fortress orbiting that hive world (to be named by someone infinitely more creative then me). They bring in exotic goods from the rest of the Imperium through the mighty trade fleet and export the various curiosities you find in the Yamato sector.

I suppose it could use more fluffing out, but uh... it's a start, I think.

>>14682872
I'm liking it so far.

>>14682905

Thank you. That's uh... that's all I really have though. That start. I'm thinking that their star fortress, while the headquarters of the dynasty, they probably have a homeworld outside of the sector that they prefer to recruit from, but I'm thinking over the centuries, more and more Yamato natives have found a position in the merchant fleet.

Also, they probably never provided anyone to the Rising Sons, at least from the main family, incase something terrible happens, the warrant doesn't pass to a marine chapter.

Wow.... Lots of hate n stuff in the early bits....

My thoughts
Color scheme: Kind of bland in my opinion. I get that we want to go with historical colors, but it just seems...meh. I'd add a bit more color personally. Maybe make the torso red. I'll try my hand at it a little later.

Weapons: Seeing how (other than the Katana/bow) there were really no "Set" weapons that a samurai must absolutely have, I'd say we just say they have CqC weapons and let the individual modellers sort it out.
Also: Bolters on pole arms seems like a neat idea. I support

Fluff: Nice to see that my suggestions (Kyotoro and Otera) made it in there.

>>14682787
I LIKE HOW THE AUTISM HAS SO OVERTAKEN /tg/ THAT IT ACTUALLY ASSIGNS DECIBEL VALUE TO FUCKING LETTERS.
GO OUTSIDE.

>>14683085
You know very well what capslock implies...
What you don't seem to know is what autism is...

>>14683085
This is a troll
Do not respond to him
He is helping keep this thread bumped

>>14683085
oh hi manly tears! so you left /v/ to come to /tg/ now?

Here are two color schemes that I think are a little less bland

First one: the old one with a red torso and belt

Second Idea

>>14683251
>>14683262

Hrm... I don't know... something doesn't feel right...

>>14683251
>>14683262
The redder one is the better one (hurr) But I feel that there should be some sort of detail thatgives off that Samurai feel. Maybe the whole shogun crest thing? Also, I feel the facial part of the helmet should be black, and perhaps red stripes on the pauldrons?

>>14683288
>>14683406

I liked the original better. Yes, it's somewhat bland, but the company mon and other details can fix that.

>>14683485
Yeah I think one of the problems the new people are having is that they don't understand that there are additions to how the Rising Sons look that can't be represented with bolterandchainsword.

>>14683251
Four base colours is very rarely a good idea, even three should (as in the original scheme) be limited to a Primary, Secondary and Trim.
>>14683262
I can't say I'm particularly fond of the red, I don't think it goes very well with the Gold/Black.

might I suggest, with a trim or something? Sorry for using army painter, the bolter and chainsword thing isnt working for me.

Anyone that wants to add anything on the almost dutch rt? I don't have much on it.

over 9000 hours in paint

this concept... fucking wow

>>14684039
I couldn't be arsed to add a samurai style helmet

>>14684044
what a man child

>>14684039
>>14684066

Your color scheme is similar to my concept! >>14684039

Altho you used too many colors.

>>14684113
>too many colors

I count.... 3

THa doesn't seem like a whole lot to me

Oh god damn I linked the wrong post.

My color scheme sugestion >>14683982

>>14684165

Sorry, let me rephrase my hasty post

Too many bland colors,

>>14684190
Ah I see.

I dunno, maybe a lighter blue?

>>14684203

The blue is okay its meant to be deep, the black brownish thing on the shoulders... its not really contrasting the blue as it should. Id suggest a brownish gold or light grey.

I used the same colour scheme, I really like it. I changed the knee pads though. Just seen some more concept art, changed the shoulder pads

>>14684295

Edit this for me please,

Change the yellow into Red, the Blue into white, and the grey thing into white as well.

>>14684373
fufufu too hard >_> I'll see what I can do though. Concept pic coming up too

concept stuff

>>14684705
>>14684696

Just start a new one in that flash thing on bolter and chainsword. I would but it doesnt work for me for some reason.

:(

here you go

>>14684783

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr493_89eGY

Well shit, I think we have our color scheme set.

I hope.

>>14684734

Do you have Internet Explorer 9?

Helmets motherfucker, I drew one

>>14684828

Chrome and Firefox.

I think I need new Java or flashplayer.

>>14684867

Not feeling it brah...

>>14684887

Ah ok cause I noticed that after I got IE9 the B&C painter wouldn't work for me at all but when I tried on another computer without IE9 it worked fine...

Anyway back to samurai IIIIINNNNN SSSSSPPPPPAAAAACCCEEEE marines

>>14684867
I... I like it...

Well, while we're getting butthurt over color scheme, perhaps we can improve on the one thing unanimously agreed on (as of the third thread), which is the chapter badge. This is a shitty prototype I made last thread. Could any nice drawfags make a half-way decent looking version?

Bumping and tossing in a vote for the original scheme.

We didn't really get much done in this thread. Archive anyway?

bampu

>>14684783
>>14684814
We pretty much decided against a red and white color scheme in last few threads. Don't really want to pimp the whole "rising sun" theme too much.

>>14684783

That looks like an ambulance. I know this is 40k and space marines love flashy colors , but really >>14684867 is MUCH better.

just an idea for a scheme if your intrested

>>14690542
Is that you, Optimus?

>>14690567

>>14690602
That's no Titan! That's an AI-using tau abomination!

I remember in one of the really old WD's that someone had made a chapter with bamboo tabards made out of greenstuff that had a cool colour scheme

I'll try and find it

>>14690542
YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH!

Trying a guard colour scheme.

>>14691093
Looks good to me!

>>14691093
Could you bless us with a finalized version of the chapter badge?

>>14691093
SPACE

>>14684696
I like how this looks, but I prefer the kneepads black. How would the chapter badge and tactical designation be displayed on those shoulders?

Is there anything on the wiki we forgot to add?

This thread dead yet?

apparently not

>>14697348
Cool. Any word on a finalized badge?

>>14697511
We will always be stuck with the MS paint version. sadfrog.jpg

anyone have a good idea for the badge? im working on one right now but is there a general agreement on that the badge is? colors? I'm Using Red and White for now.

>>14697818
Yes, a red and white rising sun in the form of a Mon, like this: >>14685715

May I recommended that Captains and the like wear sashimonos? I'm sure its been brought up. Pic related.

>>14698040
Yes, we've all agreed to sashimonos. And helmet horns/crests. And samurai coats for officers.

>>14698040
Didn't several 2nd ed Eldar minis have those?

>>14698133
They still do.

My humble Submission for the Chapter Badge. 1 million hours in paint

>>14699512
Make the border thicker and red and it's FUCKING PERFECTION.

heres another badge (what for I don't know perhaps a company badge?). Working on the Chapter badge now.

>>14699909
the company badges are their historical mons.

Not very samurai-ish but......

And I think they should have power katanas. Ultramarines have gladius, Wolves use axes, Scars use scimitars.

Maybe we can have the Rising Sons getting into a small conflict with the White Scars? To represent the Mongolian invasions of Japan, only to have a warp storm come out of nowhere in the middle of the Scars fleet? (Which did actually happen, when the Mongolians were trying to invade Japan, a typhoon came out of nowhere. It happened two times I believe...)

>>14699933
Actually, they're a White Scars descendant chapter. We try to make references to Japanese history, but this one really wouldn't fit.

>>14682773

Well it's been thousands of years since the original colonists of Sekai were sent back to the stone-age, worked their way up, and invented the katana, and in the future they say "Hey, this works for us." So the Rising Sons decide to turn it into their own style of power weapon.

>>14699956

They accidentally steal a relic or something after a long campaign and the Scars are mad?

Wouldn't a white/red colors with a bit of yellow trim make the most sense for armor colors?

>>14700045
Dude was a troll.

>>14700067
This was discussed in the previous threads. We were aiming for a samurai-like color scheme and avoiding playing the "rising sun" too strongly. We went through dozens of yoroi suits and found that dark blue, black and gold trim were the most common colors.

>>14700066
They're the same legion, man. The Mongols could come in the form of an invading Waaagh! that was wiped out in a warp storm. The Rising Sons would then attribute it to the Emperor watching over them.

>>14682095
>Implying samurai used Katanas outside honor duels

It makes even less sense to them to fight vile xenos with such weapons. Give them power halberds-like naginatas you fucking weeaboos

>>14700107

I like this idea much better, let's go with that.

Thickened up the border and made it red (a darker one) and cleaned it up.

>>14700208
Please click the picture for a larger view before rendering judgement (the thumbnail looks pixelated but the big one is high quality)

>>14700157
Weeabooism aside, the katana is a heavily romanticized aspect of the modern samurai image. This is Warhamm 40,000. We're not aiming for 100% authenticity, you fucking neckbeard.

>>14700208
This is it. This is the chapter badge. Someone get this on the wiki.

>>14700157
>implying aesthetics over accuracy in the true spirit of Warhammer 40,000 is weeaboo

You must be new here, boy...

>>14700381
>Implying Katanas don't look stupid on bulky space knights
Naginatas fit much better, use nemesis halberds

>>14700157
Katanas can cut electrons off atoms don't be mocking the power of one.
Baka...

>>14700390
We already have naginatas confirmed. In fact, the Chaplains exclusively use them. No one said they could only use katanas. Also, these will be space marine-sized katanas, so they would be considerably larger and thicker. We've already had some concept art of the marine with katanas and we've had no complaints so far.

It is funny how we hate all the space marine variants out there yet they are also the most prevalent in fan made stuff as well.

>>14700390

馬鹿外人、刀は一番すごい武器ですよ。

>>14700476
It's not like it's different people or something right?

Just for handy reference, here is a chart with the components of historical o-yoroi ("great armour") listed, so you can actually make accurate references to components you want to add on, rather than trying to describe it.

For example, the thigh armour plates are known as "haidate" (some sources also use "waidate"). The greaves are known as "sune-ate" or "suneate").

>>14700508
A few tack-ons here and there are good, but we don't want to make them look more samurai than space marines. They ARE space marines, after all.

Another one. Commissar. Stole the colour scheme off the Kempeitai. Ignore the poorly written Japanese for I have no idea what it mean. Just copy it off Kempetai armsband.
>>14693426
Sorry bro. I'm not good with drawing something original.
>>14693429
I know you are, mate. Yep. We're both in space.

>>14700508

フイーアブすぎる

>>14700532
>Comissar
>WW2 hat

No, this is Warhammer, more racial, more offensive, more retarded! Make him wear a Sengoku huge ass hat WHILE dressed up in WW2 regalia and you might be into something

>>14700488
I am talking about the community as a whole. I guess it shows that there are a small group of people who talk loudly

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Rising_Sons

>Chapter Enemy Tau

Is this because i said they should be their prefered enemy when a anon explained the tau are China?

>Chapter Rule Distant

I don´t agree with this one couldnt it be direct? That way you can add to the backstory that the shogun(chapter master) implemented an isolationist policy that kept subsector Yamato distanced from the events of the galaxy.

>>14700532
>>14691093
I like the WW2 IJA style. Also someone in the previous thread mentioned samurai-based guardsmen, its the Tekarns, see image.

>>14700476

Space Marines are certainly the faction most ripe for parody. Most of the fan space marines are semi-parodic in nature.

>>14700556

/tg/ は、　スペース　マレイインズだったら　とても　つんでれになります。

>>14700588

Both of these dovetail well. The Yamato Sector is located on the Eastern Fringe, close to Tau territory. Thus, the Rising Sons are on the galactic fringe, far away from the Imperial Core, and need to fight the Tau a lot.

>>14684867

Works well. As noted in prior threads, it's gonna have to be a somewhat conversion-heavy army to actually field.

Although, after adding those details I can't help but get a Thousand Sons vibe. Which, if anything, is a good thing.

How's this for a bit more of Rising Sons history?

In the mid 41st millennium, a terrible Orkish Waaagh! descended upon the sector which the Yamato subsector is a part of, devastating much of the sector and crippling its economy. The inefficient bureaucracy of the Administratum delayed any deployment to aide the planetary defense forces forced to face the green tide. This vulgar display of power attracted the attention of various other Ork warbands, causing the already massive Waaagh! to swell to unfathomable size.
No Imperial force seemed to be capable of hindering it even slightly. At last, the Waaagh! made it to Subsector Yamato, where Battlefleet Yamato and the Rising Sons navy clashed with the Waaagh!'s vanguard fleet. Casualties on both sides were massive, but they were ultimately ordered by the Shogun to fall back to Sekai to make their final stand.
Just as the Orkish fleet cast its terrible shadow over the surface of Sekai, a warp storm erupted and destroyed the entire main fleet! The Waaagh! was dealt a fatal blow by this freak warp storm and soon dissolved into scattered warbands to be cleaned up in the aftermath.
The denizens of Subsector Yamato saw this warp storm as proof of the Emperor's favor towards them.

How are the rising sons gonna treat the Inquisition? because you know black ships.Maybe the rising sons refused to send forces for a crusade and the inquisition sent a lot of black ships to intimidate them.Realizing the superiority of the vessels of the Inquisition they finally sent troops to the crusade but their pride is damaged or something.

>>14700696
They're most likely being to be bros with the Ordo Xenos, what with their rivalry against the Tau.

>>14700692
>Mongol ork horde

>>14700764

Warboss is a bigmek called Gitzis Kan

>>4700692

Sweeeeeeeeeet.

Proposition: On the Feral Death World of Tengu in Subsector Yamato I propose there be a dangerous Bird-of-Prey native to the planet.

>>14700883
There's a dangerous everything on that planet.

>>14700883
>>天狗
>>鳥

一つに決めてくたさい。

>>14700946

＞＞ください

>>14700532
Samurai Space Marines? Lame. Everything-raping IJA-based guardsmen who will GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR THE GLORY AND HONOR OF THE EMPEROR? Awesome.

>>14700987

出ってなさい　ホモ

The Rising Sons are notorious among the many chapters of Astartes for their practice of 'requisitioning' young women from any planet upon which they make landfall. Stripped of all belongings, these so-called comfort women are given minimal indoctrination to their new lives as sex slaves to their Space Marine masters, the constant rapes and beatings described as being necessary sacrifices for the glory of the Emperor.

Each comfort woman may be expected to service dozen or even hundreds of Space Marines, especially since the harshness and privation of their duties causes a high mortality rate. Months may go by before the Rising Sons deploy to a planet capable of supplying fresh requisitions; and in that time the number of surviving comfort women dwindles rapidly.

>>14701184

Imperial Guard Stormtroopers come from Tengu, and are done up like the Arsenal Tengu from MGS2 (Pic Related)

>>14701184
Dude, no Rape of Nanking in here.

So I'm the guy that suggested the uh... Rogue Trader based off the dutch. Still don't have much, but would a Rogue Trader dynasty make for a good ally to a Space Marine chapter, either way?

Either way, there's some spin that could be done on this, making them like the dutch were in Nagasaki (hence the star fortress above a hive world) and having most dynasty members come from outside Yamato (but perhaps some lord on some world, managed to marry into the Dynasty on the hopes that perhaps he might gain some indepence).

In fact, that might be interesting thing for third sons of noble families in Yamato to joing the Van Der Graffenhook trade fleets. They get to leave the sector and they don't have to follow the customs, especially if they were rebellious.

>>14701307
If you can flesh it out, I'd be all ears. It sounds like an interesting concept.

>>14701323

That's the unfortunate bit. I don't have much. I don't have a name for the hive world (just that it's all cyberpunk and japanese), nor for the fortress.

Though I do have the idea is that if you can make it to the Star Fortress, then perhaps you're beyond the law of your world, since you basically belong to the rogue trader dynasty, or something like that.

It's just a spur of the moment idea. I mean, for the longest time the only foreign people allowed in Japan were the dutch, and only then in Nagasaki... I was thinking about maybe we could do something with that and put another large force, other then the Rising Sons.

>>14701232

>>14701376
Wouldn't the other large force be the Ashigaru?

>>14701406

Don't they work for the Rising Sons, though?

>>14701406
This. Hell, they probably even have the hats.

>>14701307

Could work. They seem a religious chapter so perhaps that and an Order of Sisters who look after the Shrine world they have. That's a good pair of allies to help add some fluff.

Dutch Rogue Trader as one of the few groups allowed to trade with thier planets (In order to prevent chaos) and Miko Sisters on the shrine world as an ally.

>>14701424
Didn't we decided against that, since that would probably put them in deep shit with the Administratum? Since they're in the same subsector, they'd probably work closely anyway.

>>14701426
What, the ricepicker hats? Naw, they're straight outta WWII Japan.

I would say they view most of the Dynasty as odd. They probably come from the various houses under the dynasty's umbrella from outside the subsector.

They're different culturally and they're rogue traders. They're probably terribly eccentric.

As for the citizens of the subsector proper that joins the Dynasty, probably viewed with carefully crafted and hidden disdain for abandoning their lords/fathers/what have you for the weirdoes with the weird shoes.

>>14701436

Actually, Chaos would be a simple and effective reason to make them isolationist. Harder to get potential cultist if no one gets on planet besides the designated Dutch Rogue Trader. Sisters would also fit into that as they are goot at rooting out chaos.

So the marines are paranoid as fuck about chaos, so they have a firmly isolationist policythat is only broken for a Trusted Rogue Trader Dysnasty. In addition You have the not-Kuni Witchhunter Sisters who hunt down any rumour of chaos worship.

>>14701522
And there's the whole Akechi Betrayal thing, too. Makes sense.

Special Rising Sons character.

Independent character but cannot join squads.
Librarian with fleet, furious charge, and counter attack, sutbborn, eternal warrior, true grit and combat tactics. Also counts as jump infantry.

WS 6, BS 5, S 5, T 4, W 2, I 6, A 3, Ld 10

3+ save, 2+ invulnerable save when in cover or melee.

Wargear:

Dragon Sword: A blade honed from the fang of daemon prince that resembled a dragon. counts as a close combat and ignores all saves including invulnerable saves.

Sanctified Chakram: A lethal bladed throwing disc vibrating with the psychic energies bestowed upon it by the wielder. Assault 3, Strength 3, range 12 inches.

135 pts

can take up to two librarian powers from the codex at an additional 25 pts each.

I know that we've shifted gears from the IG Ashigaru but I wanted you're guys opinion on >>14701232 before we moved on.

>>14701538
Seems kinda derivative.

>>14701522

Kuni Witch Hunter Sisters as allies? That's got my vote.

>>14701535

No ignoring inv saves. That appears to be going the way of the Dodo in 5th ed. Not even Callidus Assasins get it anymore.

>>14701522

So do we have a name for the Hive World that the Dynasty star fortress orbits.

I'd like to think that one of the Houses that provides recruits to the Rising Sons might be the noble house that's trying to merge with the Dynasty, but uh... I might be incorrect... I don't remember which world they're from and I don't recall if they're just houses or if they're the actual companies...

>>14701522

Makes more sence than Mikos. Sisters are supposed to already act like them, so it fits pretty well. Sisters that act more independently than most, with single people doing investigations and hunting down Witches and Chaos cults.

>>14701535

Agreeing with >>14701585 don't have it ignore inv saves, they seem to be moving away from it and the only things that ever did it were C'tan phase weapons. Perhaps make them reroll sucessful ones? That has precedent with the Swarmlord.

Also I think he has way too many special rules. He don't need counterattack or true grit.

A constant 2+ in cc or in cover is pretty insane concidering how easy it is to get a cover save these days. I'd personally replace that with an Iron Halo.

If your looking for a generated name i suggest
http://www.behindthename.com/random/
you can check boxes to make it sound Japanese or Dutch or what have you.

>>14684783
I like this colour scheme. The others don't say Japan enough to me.

To be fair I haven't read the entire thread, but my solution to the POWER KATANA thing is have the Space Marines all carry Ceremonial katanas, and use POWER NAGINATA

Which would be way cooler.

>>14701906
I think that we were shying away from anything too Japanese, The insignia, organization and name do a fair job of establishing that they are samurai marines to outsiders without hammering it in. That being said I also like the white but not nearly as much as the blue and gold trim. Though were not debating color scheme anymore because the blue has won the popular vote.

>>14701906

Agreed, it's a nice one. The simpler than some but it looks more Samurai in my opinion.

>>14701959

Aye Aye. That one's nice too.

Also tossing in another vote for the Witch Hunter Sisters. Someone is needed to keep people from falling to the Taint of Chaos and they fit with the spiritual feel the chapter has.

Ryulus the Hammerbusa

Special Rising Sons character.

Independent character but cannot join squads.
Librarian with fleet, furious charge, and counter attack, eternal warrior, and combat tactics. Also counts as jump infantry.

WS 6, BS 5, S 5, T 4, W 2, I 6, A 3, Ld 10

3+ save, 3+ invulnerable save in melee.

Wargear:

Dragon Sword: A blade honed from the fang of daemon prince that resembled a dragon. counts as a force weapon.

Sanctified Chakram: A lethal bladed throwing disc vibrating with the psychic energies bestowed upon it by the wielder. Assault 3, Strength 3, range 12 inches.

135 pts

can take up to two librarian powers from the codex at an additional 25 pts each.>>14701732

fixed

>>14702005

Why can't he join squads? Maybe have him be able to join squads and give any he joins infiltrate instead of having him be a jump pack trooper without a jump pack.

Also, give that ranged weapon some AP. STR3 ap- is pretty useless. Perhaps AP3 so he can kill a marine or two.

>>14701958
Oh also the ceremonial aspect could easily be built up. They could take oaths on the swords, or something else. It would be really awesome to include some kind of fluff behind the swords like that.

>>14702017

I derped, change jumpack to deepstrike and I forgot to put ap 3 on the ranged weapon.

He can't join squads because according to his nonexistent fluff he operates sort of like an eversor, minus the suicidal tendencies.

>>14702061

Ok, that makes a lot more sence. Maybe give it the same method of appearace of marbo. Means he'll explode less and he is pretty damn fragile out of melee since he can't take a squad.

bump for more comments.

another quick sketch

>>14701958
There was no solution to the power katana as there was no problem aside from some whiners who just found out about the Rising Sons.
Officers with power swords will have those swords shaped like katanas. There's nothing special about them other than their shape (similar to how Space Wolves get viking-like power axes and White Scars get power scimitars). Not all Rising Sons carry a power katana. Their basic close-combat weapon is a wakazashi, used to the same effect as a space marine combat knife or Ultramarine gladius.

>>14700208
Can we get this in DoW badge form?

>>14703930

Looks awesome dude.

Hey look what I found.

>>14708560
Is dat sum Legend of the Five Rings 40,000?

>>14709039
It's actually some guy's interpretation of the Mantis Warrior Chapter, but take the mantis off the chest and it fits perfectly with these guys

>>14706504
bumping this

>>14711534
Which DoW? 1 or 2?

>>14712240
...both? I still play DoW1.

>>14712551
Here's for Dawn of War 2. Going to take a bit for Dawn of War 1 badge since I forgot how to do it.

>>14712640
They don't use the same method?

Where is Subsector Yamato located? I was thinking perhaps in either Pacificus or Obscuras

>>14712963
Close to the Tau Empire.

>>14712973

So between Ultramar and the Tau empire or... Can I get like a map?

>>14712640
Shouldn't the space between the coronas be white, too?

>>14712995
It's in the Tigi sector. How about that?

>>14713012

The reason why I ask is because I want to run a game of Dark Heresy in the subsector and play up all the good fluff we've got.

>>14713132
MAH BRO! Yeah, we don't have much on the full sector. Maybe we can homebrew our own sector to house all our /tg/ homebrew shit (Emperor's Nightmare, Abyssal Jaws, etc) as a separate project.

>>14713167

Sounds good, but I'm going to crash out, but tomorrow ill add what I've got on fleshing out this subsector and a perhaps greater sector. At the very least we need a hive world that has that blade runner feel

>>14712949
Not really. Oh and I finished the DoW 1 badge but for some reason photoshop refuse to let me saved it in .tga so it doesn't work.
>>14713002
Sorry. Here.

>>14713307
>Oh and I finished the DoW 1 badge but for some reason photoshop refuse to let me saved it in .tga so it doesn't work.

Aw! Awww!

Have you guys already thought up some names for these guys yet? Don't know if you have or not, but it's getting late, and here are some ideas:
Yamamoto (based on the admiral who planned Pearl Harbor)
Kuribayashi (planned the last stand at Iwo Jima)
Saburo Sakai (Japan's second top fighter ace during WWII, first died during the war, I think)

Bump

>>14713307
Now let's get some screenshots of these guys in DoW!

Can't wait to see these guys in action. I might just repaint my marines to these colors.

I do believe we need a hive world for this subsector, with a feel akin to the city in blade runner/tokyo.

>>14719136
Yeah the guy talking about the Dutch Rogue Traders suggested a hiveworld, too. Write one up and we'll see how everyone takes it.

>>14719568

Give me a suitable name and ill do a write up

>>14719822
Write-up first, name later.

>>14719822

Call it Kanata.

I like the idea, just the As-pies going BAWWW KATANAS AREN'T PRACTICAL is kinda ruining it.
40k, shit does not make sense period. I mean fuck, you'ev got 4 different gods of infinite rape (chaos gods) Creatures that eat fucking stars (C'tan) and all sorts of other crazy shit, but you draw the line at Power Katans? What. The. Fuck.

I like the idea, just the As-pies going BAWWW KATANAS AREN'T PRACTICAL is kinda ruining it.
40k, shit does not make sense period. I mean fuck, you'ev got 4 different gods of infinite rape (chaos gods) Creatures that eat fucking stars (C'tan) and all sorts of other crazy shit, but you draw the line at Power Katanas? /tg/ are ze CWAAAZIEST people.

oh god damn double post. Sorry guys.
Damn my internet.

>>14720426
>>14720437
Yep. Faggots gonna fag.