>>40870704
>>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

>>40870704
>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

>>40870704
>>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

>>40870704
>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.
WOO VTQ!

>>40870704
>>Night Attack. Have the element of surprise, but poor visibility reduces accuracy and ability to coordinate.
Remember, we're smaller in number and on the offensive. We are easier to coordinate, and can take advantage of the night far easier than we can the day.

>>40870704
>>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

>>40870704
>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

Anons, why do you want to attack in the day, when our small strike can easily be spotted, maneuvered upon, and engaged by a superior force when it is not in our favor to do so?

>>40870899
After all the shitty rolls we had yesterday, I don't want to take a visibility penalty to our gunnery rolls.

>>40870704
>Night Attack. Have the element of surprise, but poor visibility reduces accuracy and ability to coordinate.

>>40870704

>Night Attack.

Night is the time for sneak attacks, which is what this seems to be. Also, reduced accuracy cuts both ways, which is good for us since we're a sniper VT with light armor. We've got better native accuracy.

>>40870961
So you'd rather let them hit us in the open than MAYBE make the DC 1 higher. It's illogical, anon.

>>40870704
>Night Attack. Have the element of surprise, but poor visibility reduces accuracy and ability to coordinate.

Ah, the pain of arguing for one vote only for the other side to completely ignore it, other than one comment.

>>40870899
Personally I picked day attack because we're going to need all of the cooperation with other units that we can get.

>>40871134
Look, I just want to see what we're shooting at.

Plus, you know, they have motherfucking zombies and I don't want to deal with that shit at night.

>>40871156
What other units? We're doing this alone.

>>40871202
We're on the attack against a superior force. It makes sense to leverage the night in order to engage fewer numbers at once. That more than evens out any loss of accuracy.

>>40871234
>Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

Says so right up there. I didn't mean anyone outside of the division.

>>40870704
>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.

Because MechaZombies dont care about light, but humans do

>>40871134

Quite.


>>40871202

But anon, if the zombies come at night, we won't have to smell the sun cooking their exposed guts, and the darkness will hide their hideous visages. We can mow 'em down with the pintle mount and stomp on the corpses.

>>40871326
We'll hang some air freshener in the tank's cabin to deal with the smell.

>>40871386
What scent?

I personally like Strawberry or Fresh Apple

>>40871410
black ice

>>40871304
On the flipside, the enemy, who has far more forces, can coordinate far easier with each other. With as few numbers as we have coordination between friendly forces is not as difficult, particularly as we already have a plan. The enemy, who will be caught unawares of our plan, needs time to react. In night time, that is much more difficult.

>>40871312
Based on what information?

>>40871442
It's still a divisional level attack at night, with roughly WWII level technology. That's not easy to pull off. There's a reason most attacks took place during the day.

There are pro's and con's to each, just like Merc said.

>>40871442

dead things dont see shit becaus ynow, they ded

Also if the robot zombie nazis function pure on rf signals. cant we just jam the shit out of them?

>>40871547
We could, but it would help if we found out a variety of things. Maybe if we found the source of the signal and the equipment, we could produce a jammer.

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>>40870704
You wondered about Sawyer's insistence on running a daytime attack. Sure, you would have better visibility to coordinate with fellow units, but that meant the Reiks would have better visibility to shoot at you as well. Then again, it wasn't your place to question a commander. At least he was planning the attack at dawn, where the Reiks would be the least prepared for an attack.

At least your VT was mostly fixed up. The freshly replaced leg looked almost better than new.

Suddenly, you could hear high pitched whistling from the outside. That had to be the artillery that would act as the prelude to your assault. Sure enough, seconds later, you could hear the distant booms of explosions as the shells landed behind the Reik lines. From your position, you couldn't see much other than the sky flashing from every explosion like lightning, but you were sure the Reiks were receiving a pounding.

"All right! All VTs forward! Open up a path!" Sawyer bellows, indicating the time for stealth was over.

"8th Platoon! Let's move!" You hear Chambers bellow, and to your right, you can see her platoon's VTs revving up their engines, coughing up thick black smoke.

"7th Platoon, let's go!" Bannon barks, probably eager to show he could keep up with Chambers.

In response, Tarin hits the ignition button, causing your VT to rumble and roar to life. As one, eight Wolverines crested the hill, right as the sun began to rise. Up ahead, you could see smoke and dust kicked up from the still falling shells. You risk turning out to get a better look with your binoculars. You can catch movement in the treeline, no doubt infantry and vehicles rushing to defensive positions.

>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.
>Hang back and provide fire support.
>Other

>>40870704
>Day Attack. Can coordinate better with friendly forces, but easier to detect by the enemy.
I don't want to fight the undead at night

>>40871602
>>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.
Nothing heavy for us to focus on yet.

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602
>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.

>>40871602
>>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.
Present a unified front.

>>40871602
>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.
Long range cannon stop getting up close

>>40871602
>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602
>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.

>>40871602

>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance.

Hide behind the heavies' armor. If we're doing this in the day, we want to stick together and take advantage of that improved buddy-coordination.

>>40871602
>Concentrate on keeping up with the others and press the advance

>>40871602
>>Hang back and provide fire support.
we are a AT vt. hanging back and picking them off would be better

>>40871602
>Hang back and provide fire support.
we are made for sniping

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>>40871602
"Sir, we'll hang back and provide some fire support." You say over the radar.

"All right, keep us covered then." Bannon grunts. "The rest of you, follow me in!"

"Maybe we should have Axel's VT lead the charge? It's better armored, after all." Parker says sweetly.

"Um right, yeah, let's do that." Bannon corrects himself "Axel, lead the way!"

"Got ya, sir!" Axel says eagerly as his heavy Wolverine picks up speed while your platoonmates fall in behind him. On the right flank, Chambers' platoon keeps pace, firing as it goes. Directly behind, you can see several platoons of infantry charging forward, using the VTs ahead of them as cover while mortars and machine guns from the rear open up on Reik positions.

Throughout all this, you scan for targets. Immediately, you see camouflage nets being pulled down, revealing hidden AT guns. You also see a platoon of six Lynxes rushing down the road to try and head off the assault.

"Roy, I see something, eleven o' clock." Tarin warns.

You swivel to the direction she indicates, and see a number of Reik infantry and a few technicians dashing for what looks to be a large holding pen. Perhaps that's where they were holding their undead troops?

>Focus on the AT guns.
>Focus on the Lynxes
>Hit the holding pen.
>Other

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>You say over the radar.

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.
>Call out the locations of the holding pens

>>40872342
>Focus on the AT guns.

>>40872342

>Focus on the AT guns.

As for the holding pens... how did the Robot Chicken Conan the Barbarian musical go... "Crush your enemies, crush your enemies, and see them driven before you!"

>>40872342
>>Focus on the AT guns.
kill it kill it kill it

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>>40872342
"Tarin, brace for firing!" You yell as you drop back down into your command seat and close the hatch shut. You peer through your gunsight and settle your crosshair over the nearest AT gun emplacement. They're already starting to fire and their muzzle flashes give their positions away, making them painfully easy to target.

As you adjust for range, shells fall along your platoon's line of advance as the enemy gunners attempt to range in. You also see Chambers' platoon breaking off to engage the Lynxes, both sides already trading long range cannon fire.

"Firing!" You bellow.

>roll 1d20

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>40872887

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>40872887

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>40872887

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>40872887

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>>40872909

>>40872909
well fuck.

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>>40872909

>>40872909
thanks for rolling now stop

>>40872909

>>40872909
I'm so sorry for rolling this, yet so glad I didn't include the gung ho comment I thought to add to it.

>>40872993
You should of, your post would have been a few seconds later and changed the roll.

>>40872993
Adding a comment would have changed the roll.

>>40873002
>>40873008
Probably not, I typed it and then backspaced after a seconds consideration for how cheesy it was. Again sorry.

At least we didn't have an abysmal critical failure, leading to us somehow shooting our CO's VT in the back of the leg.

>knocks on wood
>dangit, captcha don't make me look at all these tasty loaves of bread...

Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>40872909
....

>>40873158
>>40872909
"Counter-attacking Reikland was a mistake."

-Roy Powers

what's the rules on 1's in this quest? I have a hard time remembering as Merc keeps on changing the rules like he wants to find a system in which we'll fail at

>>40873227
>Roll rules follow the standard best of three, using D20 dice. Any 20s rolled with be a Critical Success. However, players may vote to convert the Critical Success into a regular success and gain a FATE POINT. FATE POINTs can be saved and spent to cancel 1s or force a reroll. Any 1s rolled will cause an automatic failure, unless a 20 is rolled as well or a FATE POINT is used.
Mate, just go to the fucking pastebin. It's right there in the first post. It doesn't take effort, and you'll spare me from pulling my hair out.

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>>40873158
You fire your you cannon, which shakes the entire VT with a large boom. You watch your sail over to the AT gun, only to overshoot and snap a tree in half like a toothpick. You silently curse. You overcompensated for your range to target. At this point, the AT guns fire a fresh volley of shots. Thankfully, the majority seem to be focusing on Axel's VT, which easily shrugs off the shell hits.

"Haha! No matter how many times you hit, you ain't cracking this armor!" Axel boasts as he fires his own cannon in response, blowing apart one of the AT guns firing at him."

"I'm never going to get the ringing out of my ears..." Alfie whimpers.

"Keep up the fire! They're faltering!" Bannon tries to encourage the platoon.

You pause to get an update of the battle. Your platoon was busy pressing eliminating the AT guns checking their advance, while 8th Platoon was engaging the Lynxes. You see one already reduced to a smoking husk, but the rest were viciously exchanging fire with your allied platoon. Meanwhile, the infantry continued to advance, but you could see the Reik infantry taking up defensive positions while their newly awakened undead reinforcements began shambling out of the pen.

>Support your platoon.
>Support 8th Platoon.
>Support the infantry.
>Other

>>40873210

>Quote from "The Horror Firsthand: How my VT Driver and I endured and escaped from Reikland's mythical zombification camps"

All bad luck may hereafter be blamed on Reikland's Paranormal Abteilung.

>>40873342
>>Support 8th Platoon.

>>40873342
>>Support your platoon.

>>40873342
>>Support your platoon.

>>40873342
>Support 8th Platoon.

>>40873339
The link didn't say rules and it seems like tonight will be like ACQ last night: the night of absolute failures.

>>40873342

>Support your platoon.

The other teams have their orders. If they need help, they'll squawk for it. We have our orders, and we need to prove that our drill... er, cannon is the one that shall pierce the Reikland lines!

>>40873342
>>Support your platoon.

>>40873354
That or growing pains for Roy. He is still rather green.

>>40873342
>>Support your platoon.

>>40873342
>Support your platoon.

>>40873411
It's been consistent throughout all the quests. You want the rules, you look in the pastebin. I wish you'd just pick up the fucking hint already.

>>40873342
>Support the infantry.

>>40873342
>>Support 8th Platoon.

>>40873443
it's more the /tg/ dice luck as of late.

>>40873504
Wasn't what I was talking about in the slightest. I was talking about the fact that the rules were always in the pastebin.

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>>40873342
You decide to keep supporting your own platoon. You figure that getting rid of those AT guns will free them up to support the infantry, something you doubted you could do on your own. You peer through you sight again and try to correct for your last shot.

>roll 1d20

Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>40873945

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>40873945
Hope Never Dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5-H3_5ISY

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>40873945
>>40873957
Damn

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>40873945

Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>40873945

>>40873957
>>40873963
For fuck's sake.

>>40873957
"Reikland is the place where hope goes to die."

-Roy Powers

>>40873957
Okay, that's ridiculous. It seems like these past few days, we've been getting a rather ludicrous amount of shit rolls in Merc's sessions.

>>40873957
hope is dead

>>40873957
IT KEEPS HAPPENING! I WARNED YOU BRO I WARNED YOU!

Rolled 11 (1d20)

Testing

dont we have a reroll bonus?

>>40873957
You know if this keeps up, this whole quest will somehow become Days of Ruin.

>>40874102
Nope, we need to roll 20s in order to trade em in for rerolls.

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>40873957
Haha oh wow

>>40874130
Haha oh wow

Same damn thing happened in Unfortunate magical girl quest. 1s, 1s everywhere! as far as the eye could see.

>>40874130
thank god.

>>40874130
I can't wait to see how this turns out

>>40874130
welp.

>>40874144
/tg/ dice comfirmed for broken.

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>>40873957
>>40874130
REALLY?

>>40874130
What a beautiful smorgasbord of fuck that is about to happen.

>>40874130
SERVES YOU RIGHT MOTHER FUCKER

Just caught up with this quest. Wow.

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>>40874246
>tfw it was our allies' roll

Rolled 16 (1d20)

watch a 20

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>>40874363

>>40874393
i have a dream that one day i will call a nat 20

Rolled 14 (1d20)

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>>40874130
You curse as your shot misses yet again. Apparently your canon was sighted correctly or something. However, it seems the AT gun emplacements aren't doing any better. They can't seem to stop Axel's inexorable advance, and you watch as his VT trods forward so close to the Reik lines that he literally stamps on the nearest AT gun with his VT's foot, crushing it flat and sending its crew fleeing. Seeing that their line is broken, the rest of the AT gun crews begin to break and run as well, leaving their guns easy pickings for the platoon.

"All right, good job, people!" Bannon says happily. "We got them running with the tails between their legs!"

"Hey, guys, we need some support here!" You hear Paccone bark. "Their MGs are pinning us down!"

"7th Platoon, 8th Platoon, be warned, our scouts are reporting enemy reinforcements incoming!" Sawyer cuts in. "Get ready!"

>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.
>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.
>Other

>>40874494
>>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

>>40874494
>>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.
stomp em before they get there

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

>>40874494
>>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>40874494
>>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

Warming up the dice

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

Surely this time we will suceed!

>>40874494
>>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

>>40874494
>>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

Vertical Tanks with arms?

What will those crazy Reiks think of next?

>>40874494


>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.
x

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

>>40874494
>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

>>40874494
>>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

>>40874494

>Help 8th intercept the reinforcements.

We have the AT gun, have some of the lighter VTs chew up the zombies and stomp 'em flat!

>>40874494
>Help 7th clear a path for the infantry.

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>>40874494
"Tarin, move us forward towards the infantry." You instruct. "We'll help break a path through."

"Roger." Tarin nods as she opens up the throttle. Your VT rumbles to life as the legs move you forwards closer to the battle lines.

Up ahead, you can see that things definitely weren't going well for the infantry. They were pined down in an open field from all of the MG nests and trench lines that the Reik troops had hastily set up. What also wasn't helping was that a wave of undead troopers was slowly shambling in to flush them out of hiding. Meanwhile, the rest of your platoon was stomping down towards the battle, attempting to roll up the flank, but you also see soldiers rushing to a parked supply truck and hastily unloading rocket launchers.

You also see a large transmission tower just above the holding pens. Judging from what Egan had told you, this must be sending the control signal for the undead troopers...

>Hit the supply truck to destroy the launchers.
>Fire on the emplacements to unpin the infantry.
>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.
>Other

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917

>Hit the supply truck to destroy the launchers.

Make it go boom real pretty-like!

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917


>>40874917

>Hit the supply truck to destroy the launchers.

>>40874917
>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

>>40874917
>Hit the supply truck to destroy the launchers.

>>40874917
>>Fire on the emplacements to unpin the infantry.

Consensus achieved.

>>40874917
>Hit the supply truck to destroy the launchers.

>>40874917
>Hit the transmitter to disrupt the undead troops.

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>>40874917
You decide that the undead troopers were the more imminent threat to the attack. After all, if left unchecked, they would just rampage wildly through the pinned down infantry. Thankfully, their slow speed meant that it would take some time for them to reach your allies, giving you a bit of time to set up your shot.

>roll 1d20

Rolled 17 (1d20)

>>40875293

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>40875293
god please

>>40875297
>>40875306
Okay, let's stop. Just *STOP* rolling. The first one is good enough!

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>40875313
>>40875293

Merc makes us roll three.

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>40875293
Here comes the boom!

>>40875297
>>40875306
NOBODY ROLL

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>40875293

>>40875322
Oh. Silly me. Thank god that wasn't a 1.

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>40875293

>>40875293

I sure hope those rockets aren't firing while we're taking our sweet time lining this shot up.

Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>40875293
...

>>40875369

Oh I'm sure the lads with the Panzerfyousts will wait patiently... wait, they're not alternate-universe Brits, nevermind.

Although, given our luck at rolls, the shot aimed for the tower will go wide and hit the supply truck instead!

>>40875427
Your shot hits straight and true. Like the tree before, your shell snaps the transmission tower like a toothpick, snapping through steel supports as if they were paper. The whole structure comes crashing down, and right at that moment, you see the undead troopers pause as their command control is suddenly interrupted.

"Now's our chance, boys! Let's get em!" You hear Paccone bellow as he and his men start tearing into the now directionless undead troops, easily knocking them down in the mass of fire. However, the rest of your platoon is still not in sight.

"Hey, how the rest of you guys doing?" You ask.

"Damn rocket troops are holding us up!" Bannon grunts. "8th Platoon is also requesting assistance! Looks like all sorts of hell is coming up that road!"

>Stay to support the infantry.
>Help out your platoon.
>Assist 8th Platoon.
>Other

>>40875567
>>Assist 8th Platoon.
Tank killer!

>>40875567
>Assist 8th Platoon.
rocket troops are infantry and not something we can help too well with, same with infantry assistance.

>>40875567
>>Assist 8th Platoon.

>>40875567
>>Assist 8th Platoon.

>>40875567
>>Help out your platoon.

>>40875567
>>Help out your platoon.

>>40875567

>Help out your platoon.

Stand with your unit, don't go running off to support someone else unless your team is secure or you are ordered to assist. Let's go blast those rocket troopers!

>>40875567
>>Assist 8th Platoon.

>>40875567
>Help out your platoon.

>>40875567
>Help out your platoon.

>>40875615
with AT rounds? Why the hell would we take a Tank killer to fight infantry?

>>40875615
We're a tank killer. We're shit against infantry.

>>40875650
We've been through this every single thread.

>>40875567
>Help out your platoon.

>>40875695
and until people realize we chose the tank killer version and not the one designed to fight infantry, we will keep going through this.

>>40875695
and using a .50 instead of the anti-tank cannon that we have as a main weapon is inefficient and not what we should be deciding to do when there are other options, as has also been mentioned every thread.

>>40875567
>Help out your platoon.

>>40875567
>Assist 8th Platoon.

>>40875567
>Assist 8th Platoon.

>all these people want to charge rocket troopers to use a .50 cal on them

Hmm, right. I was thinking in terms of who might need more help and going for objectives rather than enemy targets. Whoops. I'll keep in it mind for next time.

>>40875741
And I've also mentioned every thread now that we CAN use an HE shell. I've even quoted the thing directly. You have decided, for whatever reason, that we can't.
>>40875720
Nope. I agree, we should focus on other targets. I take exception when this fuckstick keeps thinking we don't have an HE shell.

>>40875567
>Assist 8th Platoon.

>>40875888
did we ever establish that we had HE shells? If so fine but lets only engage infantry when we have no other option, rather than run into their anti tank guns and bazookas like a fucking lemming.

>>40875888
Except we've used the 50 cal whenever we've fought infantry. The big problem with the D was no HE rounds in the write up. I think you're misquoting anon.

>>40875567
"Hold on guys, I'm coming from behind." You say. "Tarin, move forward, full combat speed!"

"Roger." Tarin nods. Your VT rumbles as it goes on the move again. She stomps forward, bounding over the MG emplacements. The few gunners that aren't shocked by the sudden move swing their guns around to attack, but it's a fairly pointless gesture. After all, even the weakest armor on your VT was thick enough to repel MG rounds. Their attacks aren't even a minor inconvenience as our hull pings and vibrates from the missile impacts.

Soon enough, you come up right behind the second infantry line, which is busy trying to get into a position to hit your platoon on a more vulnerable flank while our platoonmates are busy maneuvering to prevent that. Bannon and Rock's VTs strafe away from the worst of the volleys, while Axe decides to risk it and stay put, making sure to present his front to the enemy whenever possible.

"Take the shot already, Roy!" Axel grunts as another rocket ricochets off his front glacis.

>Roll 1d20

Rolled 13 (1d20)

>>40875913
We do have them, but they kinda suck.

>>40875919

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>40875919
20 time

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>40875919

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>40875919
Here come the boom!

>>40875931
god fucking damn it. We are a fucking m10 not a m4 for christ's sake.

>>40875917
Would you fucking go back and read it? I have. Multiple times now. I've even posted it for you to read as well.

>>40875960
you have yet to post it, you've just stated that we have them with no proof whatsoever

>>40875959
More like any M4 with a 76 gun. The M10 did not have a 76, despite being a TD based on the Sherman platform.

>>40875982
then why the hell was it so good at killing german tanks? I remember this being talked about in a earlier thread. something about muzzle velocity or something like that?

>>40875978
I did in a previous thread. You failed to respond. Typical. But fine. I'm a nice guy. I can repost it.

>However, due to the cannon's design, it cannot utilize HE shells effectively and therefore has poorer performance against infantry.
Note the use of the word effectively. We have them, they just don't work as well.

>>40876016
Which one, the 3 inch M7 or the 76mm M1?

>>40876052
the m10 back in ww2.

>>40875982
Actually the M10 did have a 76mm it just was a heavier version of one.

>>40876031

Oh, shit, that's a pretty ambiguously-worded sentence, ain't it? I think it means that the cannon can't use the shells effectively, meaning "to any effect," meaning they wouldn't even bother bringing HE shells with them...but you might be right in your interpretation of 'effectively' meaning 'especially well.'

>>40876056
The M10 had the 3 inch M7.

The answer is simple: Most German tanks simply didn't have the armor to protect against either weapon. They were good guns.

>>40876059
It did have a gun that was technically 76(.2?) mm, but it is known as the 3 inch M7, a completely different gun from the 76 mm M1.

>>40876154
I was under the impression that by the time the Americans had hit the germans in Europe the panzers were bouncing shells off all the time.

>>40876174
No, that is not the case, the 75mm was very effective against Panzer III and IVs while Tiger tanks and Panthers were very rare.

>>40876031
not utilizing HE shells effectively means they wouldn't fire properly if we tried. our poor performance against infantry stems from the fact that we have to use our pintle gun

>>40875919
You settle your sights over the supply trucks and fire off a cannon shot. You see shell punch into the lead truck and it almost immediately touches off, sending fire and debris everywhere and knocking all the infantry around it flat on their asses from the massive shockwave.

"All right, I think we've done enough damage for the day." Sawyer's voice squawks on the radio. "I can see the fires from here! Now I need a sitrep! Will it be possible to hold the area or will you need to fall back? I don't want to risk losing two platoons worth of armor if I can help it!"

You look around. There's still lots of infantry here, but they're scattered and now retreating in the face of the massive Tilean push. You can already see Tilean soldiers breaching and clearing the buildings in the camp.

"Hey! Chambers! How are you holding up?" Bannon asks as his VT takes a few potshots at the retreating infantry. "We got things tied up on our end!"

"Getting a bit tough out here." Chambers grumbles. "I'm seeing at least a company's worth of Lynxes coming in. Sixteen plus. Might need help on this one."

>Chase down the infantry. This is your chance to completely rout them!
>Head over to fend off the armored push.
>You've done your damage. It's safer to retreat.
>Other

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876210
Why wold it not fire properly. I think it just means that our HE shell has less explosive filler.

>>40876174
Your impression was completely wrong. Against most tanks they faced, even the 75mm M3 carreid by most Shermans was more than enough to penetrate. Hell, it was lauded as THE finest dual purpose cannon in North Africa.

Where it had trouble was with the comparatively rare Tiger and Panther, as well as other more rare TDs. But even that wasn't an insurmountable problem. In the Battle of Arracourt, when a German and American armored forces dueled it out, the mighty Panther was found lacking.

Hell, look at what the Germans had to do in the early stages of Barbarossa. Their guns were almost completely ineffective against the Soviet T-34 and KV-1 from range, and they still took massive casualties. Why? It's simple- tactics.

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

Merc, can you please settle the argument over whether or not we can use HE shells? It's starting to get annoying

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.
finally fighting the things we were designed to kill.

>>40876254
yeah...huh. popular opinion has the sherman as a coffin on treads and german tanks and near invincible.

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876253
because in this situation, 'effectively' means 'properly'

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876287
Why? Because you're stuck on your definition and won't use logic.

It also used "poorer", not non-existent. Which would imply that we could, in fact, use HE rounds.

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236
>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236

>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876310
no, it implies that we have some kind of anti-infantry weapon. which we do, in the form of the Ma Deuce

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

>>40876287
You don´t design a gun to only shoot one type of shell. There is no way Requisition would allow a VT that could only fire AP to be fielded.

>>40876373
different anon, but it is possible that they would only outfit us with HE shells if we were going to be attacking primarily infantry targets. since in this battle we could, and should, have been assigned to only take out things like VTs and AT guns, we may only have AT shells just because VTs aren't big enough to carry a whole lot of ammo

>>40876345
Why must you assume that? Is it so hard to realize that an AT gun can carry HE ammunition?

>>40876431
It's like they forget stuff.

Dedicated artillery pieces could also field AP rounds.

Dedicated AT platforms also carried HE rounds.

>>40876455
yes but artillery need different types of rounds to deal with the wide rang of targets they need to drop ordinance on.

AT platforms should have HE rounds but that does not mean that it should be fighting Infantry, in fact it should avoid that very thing unless it has to deal with it.

>>40876416
You are right. There certainly should be different ammo loadouts for different missions. But i think it won´t be a problem for a long time.

>>40876493
>AT platforms should have HE rounds but that does not mean that it should be fighting Infantry, in fact it should avoid that very thing unless it has to deal with it.
That's incorrect, and shows a complete lack of knowledge of history.

One of the widest uses of TDs was as ARTILLERY. You heard me right. Artillery.

>>40876493
>tfw using HE was advisable for AT platforms because over-penetrating lighter armor was a thing

Yep.

>>40876416
>>40876529
And you would carry a mix of rounds. You know why? In case you ended up fighting the kind of foe you needed. You don't hold your fire, you shoot. You engage. Because that's the target in front of you.

>>40876533
alright you have to give some evidence for that claim. it reeks of bullshit.

>>40876546
then aim for the ammo rack or some other important component of the enemy tank. And aren't the enemy VT's designed to be cannon fodder with shit armor.

>>40876560
>implying military bureaucrats make good choices
>implying we ever have the ammo we aren't specialized for unless we snag it from a busted VT that's still registered as active

>>40876599
>then aim for the ammo rack or some other important component of the enemy tank. And aren't the enemy VT's designed to be cannon fodder with shit armor.

Oh yes, let us have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single piece of armor the enemy and their allies have, now let us memorize the schematics of every single one, AS WELL AS the silhouette, THEN we have to identify each individual vehicle we come across and cross reference our location with the direction the enemy is facing to properly place our shot.

Dude, think.

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>>40876599
>alright you have to give some evidence for that claim. it reeks of bullshit
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/gabel2.pdf
Bottom of page 44 and onward.

>>40876599
>then aim for the ammo rack or some other important component of the enemy tank. And aren't the enemy VT's designed to be cannon fodder with shit armor.
Often times it isn't feasible. Dude, stop getting your knowledge of tanks from video games and popular "knowledge".

>>40876680
Creative guys. Didn´t know it could be utilized like that.

>>40876715
The Tank Destroyer Force took most of its men, initially, from Field Artillery. The men knew how to do the job, and being kept as a mobile reserve for the counterattack that never came was a waste of time.

Overall, I believe the link I gave you is a good read on the Tank Destroyer Force in WW2. I don't agree with everything it says, but you should be able to draw your own conclusions from it.

>>40876236
>>Head over to fend off the armored push.

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>>40876236
"Let's go stop that push in its tracks." You say.

"Yeah, that's probably the best course of action." Parker says encouragingly. You can just imagine her nudging Bannon's shoulder to get the point across to him.

"Yeah, I suppose we can give Chambers a helping hand." Bannon says reluctantly. "The infantry should be able to handle things from here."

With that, as a unit, your platoon trundles over to the main road, where Chambers' VTs have dug in. Up in front, you can see eight wrecked Lynxes and various armored vehicles. It appeared that in their usual suicidal attack patterns, they had tried to frontally charge down the road.

However, it looked like 8th Platoon wasn't in too great a shape, either. Their armor was scratched and dented beyond almost all recognition. A few also seemed to be limping from damaged leg motors, too.

"Jeez, you've seen better days, Chambers." Bannon sighs.

"Maybe you guys should retreat?" Rock suggests.

"Stow it, you two." Chambers grunts. "Our objective is to hold this road and this is what we're gonna do."

"Well this will be interesting." Tarin mumbles.

>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.
>Hold the road while the 8th retreats.
>Retreat with the 8th.
>Other

>>40876818
>>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876818
>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876674
dude we salvaged several enemy VT's and had the resident scientist tell us the details (as much as he could) about it, hell we can go back and crawl all over the fucker and make several educated guesses as to where they stored the ammo or other important components.

>>40876680
alright I'll give you that one. Though even using it as a faster artillery piece is a wast of its potential as a hit and run weapon.


>>40876818
>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876818
>>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.
Time to rock and roll.

>>40876818
>>Hold the road while the 8th retreats.

>>40876818
>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876818
>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876841
>Though even using it as a faster artillery piece is a wast of its potential as a hit and run weapon.
Doctineally, that's not what they were used for. At all.

I really don't want to bother with this, but I guess it's Tank Destroyer time. I'll start writing and see how much I care to do.

>>40876841
>dude we salvaged several enemy VT's and had the resident scientist tell us the details (as much as he could) about it, hell we can go back and crawl all over the fucker and make several educated guesses as to where they stored the ammo or other important components.

These assumptions are running wild.

You have no clue how complicated it really is, not just knowing the info, but properly utilizing it.

When getting shot at, you don't really have time to think, you just do.

Nothing you are saying is easy, at all.

>>40876818
>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876818

>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

With our powers combined...

>>40876916
no shit it aint easy. we are driving a Sherman with legs to fight other tanks on legs. hell it makes it even harder to fight with due to the extra hight if the legs get destroyed, we would be fucked since our method of locomotion is gone and we would probably be on our side when we fell landed from our fall.

seriously who the fuck thought that giving a sherman legs was a good idea should be shot.

>>40876818
>>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876774
urge to sing cassions intensifies

>>40876818
>>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

>>40876962
Who the fuck thought giving you a computer was a good idea?

Let me know, I'm going to hit them with my truck.

>>40876993
yeah have fun with that.

>>40877004
Probably not, I get shit to the gallon in that thing.

I don't find spending obscene amounts of money on gas to be fun.

>>40876962
It´s called fiction for a reason.

>>40877019
then do what you have to get a new one. sell it for scrap if you have to if the mileage is that bad.

>>40877026
I know but I had just realized how dumb VT's were (are?) as I was writing that post.

>>40876841
>>40876911
Many people misunderstand American WW2 Tank Destroyer doctrine. I hope that this little post can correct that in a brief way.

As we all know, America was a bit of a latecomer into WW2. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't preparing for it. In the leadup to Pearl Harbor, many actions were taken to prepare the US for war. This included an expansion and restructuring of the Army. Now, being a latecomer into WW2, the US got to witness what happened in Poland in September 1939 and in France in 1940. They saw all too well the power that massed German armor was an extremely serious threat, one that needed to have a counter prepared for it. That counter was the Tank Destroyer Force and the Tank Destroyer Battalions.

Now, how exactly do you defeat a concentrated armor attack? With concentrated anti-tank power. Now the big issue here is concentration. A few tanks isn't a big deal, and can easily be dealt with by local forces. What the US was worried about was large, concentrated armored attacks. Each division was therefor assigned a Tank Destroyer Battalion, which would be held in reserve until such a time as the enemy armor concentrations were found, from where the Tank Destroyer Battalion would move to counter it. One common myth about the M4 Sherman was that it was never designed to fight tanks because tank destroyer doctrine existed. This is wrong. It was designed to be able to (and was pretty good at it), as the Tank Destroyers would only be thrown against large concentrations of armor.

That's just a basic primer about the initial doctrine. I could go more into how it shifted and was ignored over time, but I don't particularly care to today.

>>40877055
>then do what you have to get a new one. sell it for scrap if you have to if the mileage is that bad.

Yeah, cause I can just buy a new truck, just willy nilly.

What are you, some sort of communist? Get your vehicles provided by the state?

>>40877072
Or you know, people could just watch the Cheiftan's video on American armor myths

>>40877082
fuck no. but seriously how bad is the gas millage for it.

>>40876818
>>Fight with the 8th. You need their firepower.

We stand as one! Hill after hill, breaking their lines of defense!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGh76FFyGAQ

>>40877085
That barely mentions it, and only in relation to the M4, really. He does talk about how the head of the Tank Destroyer Force really focused on doctrine, and thus the M18 (because it was fast as hell and had a good gun), but he doesn't deal much with Tank Destroyers other than that.

>>40877094
18 mpg. City.

Not the worst I've had, but I could do better, I just needed this damn truck. Work is shite.

>>40877115
that is fairly bad. I don't know much about car parts but I would assume that getting a new engine would be expensive as fuck right?

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>>40876818
"Well, like or not, you're stuck with us." Bannon grunts. "Looks like the 7th and 8th are gonna work together on this one."

"Wonderful." Chambers sighs.

"Holy shit, here they come!" Axel warns.

"Axel, take position at the center of the road. You'll draw their fire while the rest of us concentrate on picking them off. Are you fine with that?"

"Yeah, we can do that." Axel says. "What about you?"

"We and Rock will try to flank the enemy assault force." Parker explains. "They have the numbers so trying to slug it out isn't the ideal course of action."

"What about us?" You ask.

"Take up a firing position behind the 8th so you can give them some more firepower." Parker says. "Either that, or you can try to flank them on the other side and we can pincer them."

"Whatever you do, do it fast." Chambers warns.

Sure enough, you can already see the dark plumes of exhaust of the approaching enemy armor.

>Position behind the 8th.
>Attempt to flank.
>Other

>>40877129
pretty much.

And I don't particularly feel like gutting it either, because my insurance is shite too.

>>40877134
>>Attempt to flank.

>>40877134
>>Position behind the 8th.

>>40877134
>>Attempt to flank.
Flanking is always nice.

>>40877134
>>Position behind the 8th.
We still have that twitch leg

>>40877134
>>Attempt to flank.
>Use those rounds that Egan gave us.

>>40877134
>Position behind the 8th.

>>40877134
>>Position behind the 8th.

>>40877141
wow that sucks. maybe the guys over on the auto side of 4chan can help. or maybe they'll be dick I don't know I don't go there.

>>40877134
>Attempt to flank.

>>40877134

>Position behind the 8th.

>>40877134
>>Attempt to flank.

Flanking worked last go-round. Let's find a nice spot to go hull-down and pump shells into 'em like a true Tank Destroyer!

>>40877134
>>Attempt to flank.

>>40877134
>>Position behind the 8th.

>>40877134
>Attempt to flank.

>>40877134
>Attempt to flank.

>>40877153
According to >>40871602, the leg was replaced.

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>>40877134
"We'll take the opposite flank. We'll have a better chance of getting through the side armor." You say.

"Got it. Good hunting." You see Bannon and Rock's VTs walk off to the left of the road, while Tarin takes yours to the right. Looking through the sights, you can see the Lynxes blitzing down the road towards 8th Platoon's position. Farther back, you can see Bannon and Rock's VTs using a line of trees as cover as they approach the flank. As for the Lynxes, they either weren't aware of you or didn't care, as they singlemindedly galloped down the road.

"Maybe this is a good time to use one of those new rounds Egan gave us. Try to disable one of them." Tarin says.

"At this range? Will it work?" You ask.

"We'll find out, I guess." Tarin shrugs.

>Use the experimental round.
>Use a regular AP round.
>Other

>>40877399
>>Use the experimental round.
If it doesn't work then just forget about using them for now and murder all the lynxes

>>40877399
>>Use the experimental round.
nows a good time as any.

>>40877399
>Use the experimental round.

>>40877399
>>Use the experimental round.

>>40877399
>>Use the experimental round.

>>40877399
>>Use the experimental round.
Let's see the Boffins' work in action.

>>40877308
I blame the ones on it.

>>40877399
>Use the experimental round.

Anyone have a feeling that the Reik are holding back their better VTs, and are just sending Lynxes for the initial stages?

>>40877446
>inb4 Tiger equivalent

Welp.

>>40877456
No way would they send something as powerful as a tiger VT at this stage. We would have to do something big to get that on our ass. Maybe a panther equivalent.

>>40877456
>Tiger equivalent vs 76mm Sherman Equivalent
Feed me Tigers.

>>40877473
Panthers were scarier than Tigers 1s.

>>40877446
>>40877456
>>40877473
What I'm thinking is that they'll send in their superior Heavy and Medium tanks if they decide just spamming Lynxes isn't doing well, or something drastic happening.

>>40877399
>Use the experimental round.

>>40877473
>Maybe a panther equivalent.
You're an idiot.

The Panther was the latewar equivalent of the Tiger that they held back from engagements until they had enough to make a shock. The Panther was a better thank than the Tiger in pretty much every way and where it wasn't it was equal.

>>40877446
At a guess they are already producing better ones and getting rid of obsolete VTs

>>40877498
>Tiger in pretty much every way and where it wasn't it was equal.

>80 mm side armor, Tiger

>50mm side armor, Panther

Welp.

>>40877498
didn't it also break down a whole lot.

>>40877489
pretty much

>>40877487
yeah but if we do run into a tiger at this point it would cause us a hell of a lot of trouble, mostly due to it being a new enemy unit we had not encountered yet and such lack of information could kill us.

>>40877489
Nah, they'll probably upgrade their Lynxes first with a better gun or add some extra armour.

>>40877399
"Okay, loading the new round!" You say as you hit a switch on the autoloader. The machine hums as it swaps out the shells. You then take aim at the trailing Lynx at the end of the convoy. If you wanted to disable one of them, you needed to do it to one they wouldn't see, to minimize chances of them scuttling it anyways.

"All right, just keep moving like that..." You mutter as you pull the trigger.

>Roll 1d20

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>40877542
Here's to you.

>>40877487
>>Tiger equivalent vs 76mm Sherman Equivalent
>Feed me Tigers.

In an open field environment like this?

No way, pal. The 88 would outrange us pretty easily simply because of the larger shell retaining more energy.

The Tiger was at the time probably the best long range direct fire platform.

They'd just sit back and put holes through us from way far away and force us to charge them or retreat.

Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>40877542

SNOW PLS COME

>>40877526

If we run into a Tiger equivalent, we just fall back on the basics and try to go for side and rear shots, at close range if necessary. We can use the trees in this area to mask our approach.

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>40877542

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>40877542

>>40877556
What a close one