For a moment, you emulate the other patrons in staring, shocked and dumbfounded, at the girl whose cry has shattered Café Palmerston's relaxed atmosphere. As you look, though, she catches your eye; and once she's staring you full in the face her own questioning look turns into one of triumphant certainty. "I knew it, it is you," she exclaims, all vindicated gladness. "Yumigawa-kun, what happened? How did you come to be here?"

Things are rapidly going from bad to worse, you surmise, and if you don't manage to shut this girl up somehow she'll say something that could ruin your burgeoning bond with Liliesviel permanently. The one fortunate thing about her continued speech is that there's no doubt of who she's referring to by "your" name. You won't have to explain why you reacted to it, at least.

"I believe that girl has managed to mistake me for someone, though I can't imagine how," you declare in a tone of amused befuddlement, looking back to Liliesviel and keeping the recognition out of your face. "I'm sorry to interrupt our outing, but I think she'll go on making a scene if I don't do something. Hold on a moment." With that, you get up from your table and stroll over to Truvietianne's, not giving Liliesviel the chance to protest.

"Miss, please restrain yourself," you say, leaning over the table to address Truvietianne quietly. "I appreciate that you're in some confusion, and that it involves me somehow, but, well; we are foreigners here, and this is a fine establishment. Surely there's an image to be kept up."

She opens her mouth to snap an angry retort at you, then closes it. Glancing around, she seems to catch your point: every customer in the place is staring at you. Some are more discreet than others, examining the odd situation out of the corners of their eyes, while others boggle at you directly, but there's nobody who hasn't noticed the scene. Of course, half of them were staring at you and Liliesviel already. It isn't every day one sees people who look the way the Einzberns do, after all. All the same, Truvietianne's shout did a fine job of hooking the rest of the rubber necks. So it is in a furious hiss, rather than an irate shout, that Truvietianne replies, "What are you playing at, calling me Miss and acting as if we're strangers? Are you attempting to make a fool of me?"

"But we are strangers, Miss," you reply levelly, playing the part of the rational man calming a hysteric. "I don't recognize you, and I have never heard the name Yumigawa. Don't imagine from my fluency with the language that I know the locals here." With the calming done, you shift into a posture of incredulity to sell it, as you continue, "I mean, are you playing some kind of a joke on me? I can't resemble this Japanese fellow that much, surely."

Truvietianne looks at you hard, contemplating your appearance and muttering, half to you and half to yourself, "Well, your voice is different, and you're taller, but your face is identical." You can see she's half convinced, and in that moment you have a change of heart. At first, you'd only intended to chase the girl off, but now a new idea comes to mind. If you can get her on your side once more, Truvietianne and her family's resources could be quite useful to your cause.

"Identical? To my face?" You're laying it on thick, but you imagine anyone in the position you're pretending to be in really would be in an almost comical state of shock. "Well, you've certainly piqued my interest," you continue. "Allow me to introduce myself; my name is Alberich von Einzbern." It isn't the name you'd like to give to a magus, but with Liliesviel watching you can hardly give another; so you introduce yourself as her brother and give a small, courtly bow. "I'd love to discuss this matter with you further, but I'm here in Japan on business and this is the only day I've been able to take off, and my sister has a full one-day vacation planned out. Here's my name and number, though; give me a call tonight, and perhaps you can tell me more about this doppelganger of mine." With that, you take one of their napkins, pull a pen from your coat pocket, and write down, 'Truvietianne, (or Miss Edelfelt? Which did you prefer?) you have my identity right. I can't speak now. At 9:00pm tonight, meet me at 645 Yasuoka Ave, near Yoyogi, and we'll discuss.' Then, in much larger script, you add a random telephone number below the message.

Truvietianne just stares for a moment, glancing from you to the note and back again, and generally looking utterly taken aback. While she's trying to decide how to react, though, her companion is more steady-minded. "What a marvelous coincidence," she coos, addressing you in German. "To think we would run across you here. My name is Luviagelita Edelfelt. It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance, Herr von Einzbern; particularly as I believe we are in this unfortunate country on the same business."

"Indeed?" You cock an eyebrow at this. Come to think of it, didn't Tohsaka mention another apprentice by the name of Luviagelita? If this is she, you may be in luck. "In that case, I believe we have much to discuss. Now, good day to the both of you." With that, you return to your own table. The Edelfelt pair, you notice, get up and leave a short time after you do, Luviagelita almost dragging Truvietianne from the place.

"Bizarre, don't you think," Lancer comments as soon as you're back in your seat. "A man with your face and a Japanese name; it's enough to make you wonder just how many amnesiac homunculi are wandering around the city!"

"Well, perhaps so," you reply, "or perhaps not. It may have merely been a pretext to make contact with me. You saw how they perked up at the name Einzbern. Liliesviel, do you recognize the name Edelfelt as belonging to a clan of magi?"

"No," she says offhandedly, "but that doesn't mean they aren't one. I don't bother to learn about all the Association small fry, you know. They're probably just some unimportant clan that missed their chance to join the War. More importantly, what are you going to eat? I think I'll try their french toast."

"The same, I think; although one can't go wrong with a highly recommended restaurant you've never eaten at before. A café au lait, as well." For the time being, you can put the Edelfelts from your mind. They're more important than Liliesviel seems to think, but all the same they are a distraction. Today, you decided this morning, would be a day to rest; you intend to stick to that decision.

Brunch, when it arrives, lives up to the café's reputation. The french toast is fried to perfection, managing to be simultaneously chewy and fluffy, and topped with an exquisite fruit compote. Liliesviel has whipped cream added to hers, but that level of sweetness is too much for you. Lancer has an enormous helping of eggs, hash, and sausage, with which he seems thoroughly satisfied; and the maids enjoy identical orders of eggs benedict. Finally, when everyone's sated themselves with Café Palmerston's delectable cuisine, Liliesviel says to you, "Where shall we go next, Alberich?"

>[ ] "Why don't we go and see a film? Are you interested in the cinema, Liliesviel?"

>[ ] "How about an arcade? Video games seem to be quite popular with young people in the city."

>[ ] "Have you ever been to an amusement park? I've heard they're great fun."

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)

>>3759016
>[ ] "Why don't we go and see a film? Are you interested in the cinema, Liliesviel?"

>>3759012
See? Truvi's a smart cookie, she caught on pretty quickly.
>My name is Luviagelita Edelfelt.
called it
>"Bizarre, don't you think," Lancer comments as soon as you're back in your seat. "A man with your face and a Japanese name; it's enough to make you wonder just how many amnesiac homunculi are wandering around the city!"
hahahahahahaha yes very strange fucking kill yourself odin
>>3759016
>"No," she says offhandedly, "but that doesn't mean they aren't one. I don't bother to learn about all the Association small fry, you know. They're probably just some unimportant clan that missed their chance to join the War. More importantly, what are you going to eat? I think I'll try their french toast."
Wow, it worked out better than expected! She doesn't even know who the Edelfelts are.

>>3759016
>[ ] "Why don't we go and see a film? Are you interested in the cinema, Liliesviel?"
Wow, it`s actually worked.

>>3759025
>See? Truvi's a smart cookie, she caught on pretty quickly.
Well, that and she was really put off by the change in your voice. It made her stop and listen instead of arguing.
>fucking kill yourself odin
Oh, you're too hard on the old fellow. He's done nothing but help you out so far, you know.
>>3759056
>Wow, it`s actually worked.
My latest shocking twist is not having everything go wrong all the time.

>>3759016
>[ ] "How about an arcade? Video games seem to be quite popular with young people in the city."
A movie would be too boring.

>>3759071
Boring for Alberich, maybe. Has Lily even heard of movies?

>>3759071
>>3759113
It could be rerun of Dollars trilogy playing today.

>>3759122
>lily is in awe at clint eastwood
>alberich has torn off the upholstery a minute ago and he's working his way through the wood
write it, sweets

>>3759016
>>[ ] "How about an arcade? Video games seem to be quite popular with young people in the city."

Well shit I wasn't expecting that plan to work that well.
Thank you, Luvia, for not being an angry confused Tsundere.

>>3759016
>>[ ] "How about an arcade? Video games seem to be quite popular with young people in the city."

>Luviagelita almost dragging Truvietianne from the place.
Luvia got the hint they were in mortal danger, at least.

>>3759140
>Clint appears on screen
>Alberich totally loses his cool and cuts the screen into small pieces
Let's not go berserk at a movie, thanks.
Besides, they minimize interaction with Lily, and that's not what we want to do here.

>>3759122
>Alberich lines up for theater snacks
>Kikuko cuts in front of him

it'll happen

>>3759016
>>[ ] "How about an arcade? Video games seem to be quite popular with young people in the city."
She would probably enjoy dance games.

>>3759252
>Kikuko
Shouldn't she be in school?
>>3759269
I hope she enjoys the arcade, an amusement park could be fun, but honestly, I think we should save that for later, when we've killed Odin and got her the Third Magic, preferably.

>>3759016
>[ ] "Have you ever been to an amusement park? I've heard they're great fun

Why would you bring a girl who isn't outside often to a cinema or an arcade? Furthermore she's a magus with distaste for technology. What, you gonna fight her on Melty Blood AACC?

>>3759335
>What, you gonna fight her on Melty Blood AACC?
...Maybe.

>>3759338
Alberich mains Neko Arc.

>>3759016
>[ ] "Have you ever been to an amusement park? I've heard they're great fun."
I wonder which one Sweets will pick, for there are several.

>>3759335
>distaste for technology
>"how about we just strap ourselves into some technological deathtraps?"
Hmm.

>>3759392
>amusement parks solely consist of thrill rides

>>3759397
Thrill rides are the most important part of the amusement park. If you don't try one, then what's the point of going?

>>3759016
>[ ] "Have you ever been to an amusement park? I've heard they're great fun."
While watching Lili's reaction to "mundane entertainment" would be fun, I feel like an amusement park would be a safer bet.

Remember that Lily is too short for the thrill rides.

>>3759440
Get Odin to put a glamour on her, or something.

>>3759440
Also, don't jinx it. I was in middle school when I got on my first thrill ride, I'm sure that she's tall enough.

>>3759016
>>[ X] "Have you ever been to an amusement park? I've heard they're great fun."

I'm kinda looking forward to our meeting with Truvi and Luvia.
Should be real fun.
Man, Yumigawa/Alberich really does bring out Truvi's tsun.

So now we've got a meeting with the Edelfelts set up.
What should we lead with?
"Surprise! I'm a Servant!"?
"Actually I didn't exist before Akeldama."?
"Ogawara also became a servant, don't think about it too much or you'll give yourself an aneurysm."?
"I tried to murder your fellow apprentice and her family."?
"Odin is the Lancer of this war and we're all fucked."?

>>3759657
"Remember our good old buddy Cid?"

>>3759657
My name is Alberich. I'm 3 weeks old. My former house was a university in Caster's Reality Marble, and I am not married (though I hope to be married soon). I worked as a Master in the Inner Grail War organized by Caster, and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke or drink. I was in bed by 11 PM, and I made sure that I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually had no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I haven't had a check-up yet, but I'm confident that I have no issues. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who used to have a very quiet life. I now choose to trouble myself by destroying my enemies, winning great battles, and I often lose sleep at night. This is how I deal with the world, and I know that is what brings me happiness. And, if and when I decide to fight, I couldn’t lose to anyone.

>>3759016
>The Edelfelt pair, you notice, get up and leave a short time after you do, Luviagelita almost dragging Truvietianne from the place.
Shit. Has Rin already filled her in?

>[ ] "Why don't we go and see a film? Are you interested in the cinema, Liliesviel?"
This is the one that Lily specifically mentioned an interest in.

>>3759016
>[ ] "Why don't we go and see a film? Are you interested in the cinema, Liliesviel?"

>>3759696
>Both are staring directly at you, Truvietianne with a look of absolute shock and her partner with an expression of mild interest.
>"What a marvelous coincidence," she coos, addressing you in German. "To think we would run across you here. My name is Luviagelita Edelfelt. It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance, Herr von Einzbern; particularly as I believe we are in this unfortunate country on the same business."
She doesn't seem hostile enough for that.

>>3759711
Maybe she's playing it cool so the touchy Saber doesn't behead her.

>>3759713
>in broad daylight
>in a fucking cafe

>>3759718
Alberich is a strange guy

>>3759719
He's not retarded.

>>3759721
But does she know that?

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>>3759724
It's a good guess.

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>>3759721
No one can report a murder if you murder all witnesses.

>>3759732
Another pesky gas leak

>>3759724
Yes, he's clearly not retarded based on everything she's probably been told about us.
Luvia was just covering for her Tsun relative.

>>3759732
Way to ruin our day off.

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>>3759730
>"Whatcha gonna do, when Luviamania runs wild on you, Alberich!"

>>3759753
Reminder that she probably looks 10 older than that.

>>3759753
I mean...
Kill her with a casual backhand?
He's a Servant with decent stats and EotM(true), she'd die in about a second, as much as I like her.

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>>3759779
b-but, gureto rubia

>>3759788
The difference is that if it were Alberich killing those golem things, he could tear them apart easily and be faster than the eye could keep up with.
He wouldn't even need his sword.

>>3759812
It's weird how powerful Alberich would be in any canon story but he's so weak in Awakening Mirror because every Servant is tailored to give him a bad time.
>Artoria can avoid his NPs with Instinct and hurt him badly
>Achilles is the fucking strong and nothing Alberich does can hurt him permanently
>Odin is Odin
>Roland's sword is indestructible and his horse makes him as fast as Achilles
>Assassin is good enough to hide from Odin
I expect Odysseus to have some bullshit up his ass that counters or invalidates Kenotis.

>>3759823
>It's weird
That's what makes it fun!

>>3759812
It'd be nice to see something like that occasionally, just as a reminder that Alberich is actually powerful.

>>3759696
I'm sure we can see a movie around 6. I don't think Sweets would deny us that.

I wonder if Truvi will take us up on our invite to talk.
Luvia seemed affable enough so I'm not sure if she's talked to Rin yet.
Maybe she has and just doesn't give a shit.
She probably recognises that we're the only reason Truvi is still alive depending on how truthful she was in her retelling.

Truvi certainly hasn't been informed, or if she has she's as dumb as a sack of potatoes.
Well I guess we will have to see what happens at our meeting, she'll finally get to know the truth.

>>3760113
>I wonder if Truvi will take us up on our invite to talk.
> Luvia seemed affable enough so I'm not sure if she's talked to Rin yet.
The question isn't if she will take our invitation or not. The question is will we run into an ambush or not, because giving them a time and place where we will be is just asking for an ambush if Luvia has talked with Rin.

>>3760325
Yeah, they want to attack our house, they can feel fucking free.
They will all die.
No remorse, Sakura first.

>>3760325
I doubt Truvi would be OK with ambushing us, though. Luvia shouldn't really either, considering we obviously have some important info about Akeldama.
I also can't think of any reason for Truvi to come to Japan other than to find us/get closure.

Luvia and Rin don't get along too well usually and Rin doesn't have a phone so contact that way is unlikely.

I just feel an ambush is unlikely, especially considering that Truvi saw what happened the last time somebody ambushed us.

Also, good luck setting up an ambush at our fucking house.

>>3760325
If they attack our house we attack their house, plain and simple. The only difference will be the scale of the damage. Remember that Alberich mauled their main team. If they attack our base, we have Tsubaki, bounded fields, the spell that allows us to see everything inside the bounded field (the one Ayaka gave us), etc. Also, did we just gave our house adress to someone we know (IC) is an allie of the Emiyas? Why? Why not just point a random meeting point? It makes no sense.

>>3760446
It's the god damn house of the Second Owner.
Rin would already know anyway.

>>3760452
Fuck, then we better find a new base or keep Tsubaki protected 24/7.

>>3760464
They aren't likely to do anything like that just yet.

>>3759944
Maybe if we took Berserker's Bravery instead of AoG then we might be able to.

>>3760590
No, we could easily do it without Bravery.
Servants are super strong.

>>3760594
Sure.
But it would have been even better if we had Bravery.
It's the difference between running super fast and doing parkour super fast.

>>3760600
Not really, no.
Bravery only increases the damage, and a Servant with our strength woud put a hole in pretty much any non servant combatant anyway.
The real benefit of bravery is the mental resistance it provides.

>>3760608
Though we should get probably Bravery because our mind is a weak point right now, fucking Odin can just go in and teach us perfect German as he pleases.

>>3760637
Bravery is only for conscious resistance

>>3760792
What happens if we combine the mental resistance aspect of Bravery with the Physical resistance given to us by Conceptual Biology?

>>3760808
Actually, would combining Bravery and Conceptual Biology even be possible?
I mean, it could be fairly broken depending on your interpretation, no?

It's basically adding one of the core concepts of heroism to a skill that signifies our existence as a conceptual being.

Would we have been able to beat Shirou if we had upgraded our armor?

>>3760962
Also, how the hell did he survive that explosion that nearly killed us? We were much closer to it, sure, but he still wasn't that far away unless I misread something.

>>3760990
Chalk it up to his body being made out of swords.
Also the enhanced durability of his puppet body.

Seriously though, we should mess with conceptual biology when we get the chance.

>Everyone talking about upgrades.
Alberich: When I say MASS, you say...
Orphans: SACRIFICE!!!

Now seriously, let's get some criminals and IN animals into the Not-Akeldama and get those juicy upgrades.

I wonder how the two Edelfelts will react to Truvi accidentally managing to somewhat befriend an actual modern day Hero.

I think Alberich certainly would try to avoid killing her, even if she sometimes acts somewhat foolishly and is quick to anger when she thinks she's being made a fool of, she was a dependable ally in the Akeldama.
Now that I think of it, Alberich himself has always had anger issues, even at the very beginning of his life, as Yumigawa Rushorou, he would get very irritated at being looked down on.

Also, she's the first human that Alberich met in his life, which is worth something.
Hmm. Should we tell her that?

>>3760836
>Actually, would combining Bravery and Conceptual Biology even be possible?
Doubtful. Conceptual Biology is just that: a biological system becoming conceptual. No matter what, it's still biology at the core.
Bravery is a mental quality rather than a biological one, so it doesn't fit in the conceptual framework of our biology.
>>3761436
>Hmm. Should we tell her that?
We might as well, if we're telling her the whole story.

>>3761512
I wonder if we'll be able to raise her dere levels by telling her the truth.

She did seem glad to see us. Perhaps her time spent recollecting and reflecting on the war and on Yumigawa's actions has done her some good.

Alberich has had a hard life. He's only ever known war.
Also I feel like Truvi has some sort of special status as the first human we met.

What do we do if Truvi refuses to be our ally?
I certainly don't want to kill her.

>>3762672
We have our foot in her door, but in that case we would have to assimilate the Edelfelts into the Einzbern family.
Soon we will make our own Yggdmillenia family, with blackjack and hookers. actually forget the family and the blackjack

>>3762672
Knock them out and use them for our human leyline project. Keeps them safely out of danger and from interfering with us.

>>3762676
Well, they will have to think hard about opposing a Servant with a Caster on his side and 3 other Servants somewhere in Tokyo who would also be on his side.

We are in quite a difficult situation what with the Emiyas opposing us out of fear of the possible corruption of the grail while we merely want to live.
Also the Einzbern master thinks we are her brother and we really can't correct her as she's likely to have her Servant kill us.
We've managed to convince Liliesviel not to go after the Emiyas for now though.

>>3762679
Now I think that's just too cruel.
I think the whole human leyline project should be kept to enemies or randoms.
I can't imagine it's a pleasant experience, and I don't think Alberich is cruel enough to do that to Truvi.

>>3762679
>>3762686
>human
>leyline
Humans are people, and Leylines are the arteries of the World.
So unless you want to dig down 150 feet and bury a million people, maybe a better name would be "human battery project".

>>3762709
I think it's more of a "using humans to draw energy from leylines" plan.

Regardless, it's not a very nice thing to do to Truvi. She likely came along with Luvia to seek us out.

>>3762717
>using humans to draw energy from leylines
...Oh.
Circe and Tsubaki can do it directly but you do you, anon.
>Regardless, it's not a very nice thing to do to Truvi.
Of course. I oppose that on principle.
>She likely came along with Luvia to seek us out.
It looks like we can get a lot of Magi on our side very quickly. The Einzberns can be subjugated permanently if we neuter Acht and make Lily one of our subjects; Truvi can speak with the Edelfelts on our behalf (Luvia will have to be removed before she makes contact with Rin); the entire Sea of Estray will support us for the chance to talk to a former goddess of magic, because of their fetish for AoG magecraft.

>>3762725
The issue with drawing directly is that it messes a lot of people up.
Tsubaki can do it directly if she requires to, her elder brother cares about her far more than any number of random humans he doesn't know, but having a less indiscriminately damaging method is always more useful.

Now, when you say "remove" I hope you don't mean kill Luvia.
I'm not certain of Truvi's relation with Luvia (possible sister, what with Ore Scales) but killing Luvia isn't something that will go down well with Truvi.

>>3762728
>The issue with drawing directly is that it messes a lot of people up.
Remember that you can draw from a leyline by siphoning the excess. It's only when you reach inside that you start messing up people, because you're taking the magical energy they need.
>Now, when you say "remove" I hope you don't mean kill Luvia.
It may be necessary if Luvia sides with Rin and we don't have Circe on hand. Of course, brainwashing her will make problems as well.
>I'm not certain of Truvi's relation with Luvia (possible sister, what with Ore Scales) but killing Luvia isn't something that will go down well with Truvi.
I really don't want to.

>>3762731
I don't know if killing Rin is necessary.
The Emiyas might have to die eventually, but the stronger Alberich gets, the less threat they pose.
Invincibility Armour should basically allow us to easily defeat them.
Conceptual Biology EX and Saber's stuff (mass sacrifices to get the three things we want) in addition to that would mean they couldn't possibly beat us.
Instinct + EotM(true) might fuse into a unique skill.

Alberich feels bad enough about having to betray Emiya, he does respect the man.

>>3762731
Oh, Tsubaki mentioned there's no excess.
The greater grail is taking all the excess iirc.
Also she's not as talented as Medea or Circe at magic.

>>3762763
>Also she's not as talented as Medea or Circe at magic.
But she is good enough to tap into leylines as needed, and she can improve if we push her consistently because she's still alive.

>>3762763
>Oh, Tsubaki mentioned there's no excess.
>The greater grail is taking all the excess iirc.
But yes, here there is no excess to take.
Setting up power plants is a long-term project.

>>3762771
Of course.
Though motivating her to improve might take a while.
We need to do more things together with her.
Perhaps we can have her learn the magecraft of families that refuse to kneel to us and subsequently disappear.

Hmm, I wonder if the Shijou ritual allows Ayaka to steal parts of magic crests and add them to the Shijou crest.

If that's the case, Lumenza might not get to eternally suffer after all.
Convincing her to sacrifice a human for herself might be difficult.

How will Truvi handle the truth?
I'm worried about Luvia, honestly.
Oh well, at least Rin will get btfo when she gives the incorrect version of events about us to the Edelfelts and Luvia reveals she met us and that we didn't lie to them about not being an Einzbern and that we have nothing to do with Angra Mainyu, as Truvi can back up the story we gave about Akeldama.

Should make Shirou feel even worse about his decision to condemn us to death, especially considering we're only three weeks old.

I think we're actually tied right now, by the way.

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>3763063
The tiebreaker:
•1 = Amusement Park
•2 = Arcade

When Lily is barred from the ride, I will wave my virtual dick everywhere.

>>3763063
Oh, oops. I was thinking film had won for some reason.

>>3762686
That's easy to say, but what would you do if Luvia and Truvi are opposing us?
Keeping them asleep for the rest of the war and getting some mana from them without harming them isn't really cruel.
>>3762709
It's the plan to capture people keep them asleep and draw (excess) mana from them like you can do with leylines.
I didn't give it that name I just used the one someone else gave it in an earlier thread and thought people would understand.
>>3762736
Do I even still have to say hubris here?

>>3763175
>Hubris
>almost killed Rider despite being under the effects of Cybele and her fighting alongside Emiya
>got blindsided by a bullshit reality marble and still managed a draw, only not winning completely due to Shirou's projectile of choice
Shirou won't get UBW off again as we would prioritise him when he starts engrishing.
Bellerophon could be an issue but Kenotis or a rift slash at Rider's charge should probably have us covered.
Alberich is fucking strong.

>>3763152
Ah, it was a 3 way tie.

>>3763208
Yes, and a direct confrontation is not the only way he could screw with us.
He could ally with enemies, he could wait for an opportunity and disconnect Ayaka from us, attack allies or try to destroy the grail.
Killing us is neither the only way to reach his goal nor is attacking us unprepared the only way to attack us.

>>3763219
Kinda feel like tying us again just so a dice isn't used to break a tie.
Like, why vote at all if you're just leaving it up to chance.
>>3763228
Yeah but we can fuck with him even easier.
>"Yes hello is that Father Antaglio? I've discovered something quite disturbing."
Good luck allying with anyone with a command spell bounty on your head, Shirou.
He doesn't know where the Greater Grail is.

>>3763247
Maybe, but what we can do isn't important if we don't do it.
And frankly Saber would probably ally with him against the "shadow". Also a bounty is not making it impossible, since they can still kill him afterwards, and Shirou is charismatic.

>>3763255
>Shirou is charismatic
Irrelevant. If people know his goals, he'd be Kill on Sight. Also, working together with him is a great way to get yourself a bounty.
Saber still wants the grail.

>>3763297
>Also, working together with him is a great way to get yourself a bounty.
Since that was so effective at keeping us from allying with him?
Also apart from us nobody knows his goals from the masters.

And while Saber wants the grail she isn't about allying temporarily with him to defeat the shadow and a competitor.

>>3763310
>Since that was so effective at keeping us from allying with him?
Nobody was aware of him or his intentions at that point.

Saber is a possible issue, but her master likely won't ally with the Emiyas.

>>3763379
>Nobody was aware of him or his intentions at that point.
Pretty sure his intention to stop the grail war was one of the first things he told us.
>Saber is a possible issue, but her master likely won't ally with the Emiyas.
If we have become strong enough to casually ignore everything Rider, Shirou, Rin and Sakura can do then I'm sure he would think about a temporary alliance.

>>3763396
If we become that strong, it will probably be too late for even Saber to be able to help them.

I just realised
>try to talk things out with the Emiyas
>Rider tries to go for the sneaky kill with Cybele
In hindsight, Alberich did nothing wrong.
The NAP was violated by Rider.
I wish Perseus was here.

I also wish we had a record of Harpe.
If we could apply it's immortal killing ability to Heilig, we would've fucking instantly butchered Achilles.

But yeah, halfway through trying to get to the bottom of things, Snake bitch tried to petrify us, then Shirou sentenced us to death for the crime of "sorry but too bad, muh greater good." and tried to go full EMIYA.
Rin also spoke down at us.

Also, does Alberich have any suspicions as to Medusa's identity?
I mean, petrifying eyes are a pretty big giveaway.

Oh and Previous thread still needs archiving before it 404s.

>>3763682
Also Lili's poor timing on Alberich's part caused the loss in trust. I mean they were always wary of us especially Rider. But when Lili (an eizenbern) says "Yeah he is totally an Eizenbern" or "LOOK ITS OUR SPY" of course Rider will immediately go on the offensive.

Once Odin showed his overpowered ass to everyone it made Alberich immediately loose any control over the situation and caused the kill or be killed situation with the Emiya Family. Hell we are still kinda subservient to Odin.

So instead of just having more people after us why not just get someone to give them a message of "Get the fuck out of Tokyo."

>>3763796
>"To Shirou, believe it or not, I don't want to kill you. Please leave Tokyo before I'm forced into trying to again. You should understand that Liliesviel won't be happy with just your death along with Tohsaka's and Rider's and I'm sure that you wouldn't want that. Should the grail turn out to be corrupted, I'll deal with it myself with the help of my Casters."
> - Alberich Iscariot

>>3763796
He just got done trying to kill us and almost succeeding. Fuck that guy. I say we kill him.

>>3763886
Alberich understands his reasons and finds them noble though.
He should also respect him for being a human not afraid to face off against a Servant.

I doubt Alberich could ever actually hate the Emiyas. They are just unfortunately opposed to him. Their goals are perfectly understandable and their reaction to our betrayal was justified.

In comparison to the Rider fight where Alberich taunted as much as he could, he was silent in the Emiya fight.

>>3763913
>In comparison to the Rider fight where Alberich taunted as much as he could, he was silent in the Emiya fight.
Maybe because Shirou wasn't a smug asshole?

>>3763940
That alone shouldn't stop Alberich.

>>3763962
Actually, Alberich has never taunted anybody who wasn't a smug asshole so, it probably would.

>>3763968
Yeah but he didn't talk at all when facing Emiya.
Roland wasn't even that smug, Alberich just bullied the shit out of him then mocked him after he killed his horse.

Emiya is actually somebody that Alberich doesn't really want to kill. Even before the battle he considered jeopardizing his alliance with Lily by revealing Caster to threaten Emiya and make him leave. I doubt Alberich enjoyed betraying and fighting him, even with his lust for battle.

>>3764015
That doesn't mean we're gonna be penpals.

>>3764057
Doesn't mean Alberich personally wants to kill Emiya, either.

So good natured even a serial killer feels bad about trying to kill him.

>>3764057
Who says anything about penpals. Just get them out so its not another group trying to kill us.

>>3763796
>So instead of just having more people after us why not just get someone to give them a message of "Get the fuck out of Tokyo."
So your great plan is to tell Emiya to leave us alone and not interfere while we start the apocalypse?
Somehow I think even the not justice aligned people would have a problem with that.

>>3764142
who the fuck says we are starting the apocalypse? this>>3763869 would be decent enough for them to get out.

Its either get out with the family, or get a super powerful spear to skewer him and his family at once. I dunno sure seems like a tough choice.

>>3764142
I don't see why he arrogantly believes only he is capable of solving the issue of a corrupted grail.
When it comes to grail wars, Alberich has a better track record than Emiya does.

If the grail is corrupt, then it will have to be deactivated, destroyed, or sent to INS.

>>3764164
Because if the grail is corrupted and we use it we birth the zoroastrian god of evil. We are not nearly strong enough to defeat a full blown god.
>>3764166
Because he actually wants to stop the grail, while we want to use it. There is a difference between Angra Mainyu before and after he was born.

>>3764181
We want to use it if it's not corrupt.
He wants to stop it just in case.

Also, if the grail is corrupt, it's pretty fucking obvious, generally.

>>3764186
No, we would also try to use it if it is corrupted. With some security measures, but it still is risking the world for our life.
Also I think he might have some problems trusting our word after we lied to him to lure him into a trap to kill him, Rin and Rider.

>>3764196
We've got two Casters, I'm sure that with enough time, Circe could figure out a way to fix the grail.
As for the trap, well what can you do, we were hoping the Einzbern were unaware of them, lolnope Odin. But hey, luckily nobody died.

They did want us to attack the house to eliminate Sakura first, were Liliesviel to send her own Servant to accomplish such a thing, I'm fairly certain that would've wiped them all out.
By betraying them, we helped them live longer.

>>3764196
>Using a corrupted grail
That sounds like the exact opposite of what we want as that will most likely backfire super hard.

>>3764212
Yes and that will surely make them feel safe to leave the grail in the hands of someone who already showed himself willing to lie to them.

And say how we totally were on their side all along and we only betrayed them because circumstances forced us. Really? That sounds like a really cheap lie to make them trust us.

>>3764216
At that point we are out of options. We already had plans to make the wish in imaginary space to isolate it from the world, but we can hardly make any guarantee to Shirou about how that would be safe, because Alberich has no idea if it would truly be safe.

>>3764244
>we are out of options
We've probably got Medea's superior in magecraft somewhere in the city.
Bad End 20 has Caster get the grail and nobody mentions the world ending.

It's not as hopeless as you think.

>>3764271
Okay, then still how do you want to convince the Emiyas to trust us on that?
Simply put, just telling them to trust us with the fate of the world (or at least this entire city) and leave the city after we proved ourselves untrustworthy is really not going to work.

>>3764291
Truvi.
Truvi can back up our entire story on Akeldama.
And that we have an Age of Gods Magus somewhere to see if they can solve the whole Angra Mainyu issue, if it is still there.
Also that we aren't an Einzbern.

Hey, if we actually can fix the grail with Circe, that's one more point in our favour from Lily.

>>3764324
She can also tell them that we did lie to her for a good while.
And that Akeldama was true does jack shit to convince them that we are trustworthy. You can't prove that you are trustworthy by proving that you aren't lying about everything.

And even if we had an Age of Gods Magus that is still no guarantee of success. Shirou is not gambling with something this dangerous.

>>3764340
Actually, we cleared up the Einzbern thing the day after she started calling us one.
We didn't really lie to her for long at all.
In fact, after we kept the Einzbern thing from her, Rushorou decided to keep her informed of developments at all times, even after she assumed that our alliance was gone because of Lancer's death.

>we lied to the Emiyas multiple times and got found out,
>we slashed Rider's chest open
>Shirou nearly killed us and heavily injured himself in the process
The alliance is over. Give it up anon. This is getting sad.

>>3764358
Still we didn't just burn the trust bridge we nuked it. We have proven us to be willing to kill them just for our own survival and risk the city for our goal. To trust us in this would frankly be stupid.

And they don't even know but we are sacrificing a ton of innocent people for our goals by drawing too much on the leylines, we are hiding the serial killer they were hunting and we are pretty clearly willing to lie and use Lily for our own ends. And if Truvi tells them about us brainwashing Kikuko then this will give even more reason to doubt us and her.

Words alone won't be enough to convince them to trust us with something this big.

>reading through thread 2
>OOC Sweets posts
>"Poor Ogawara is still waiting for the goddess to show up and give him his cheat powers."
Well, he got them in the end, he just had to wait for Rushorou to win the damn war before he got them.

>>3764371
Oh the alliance is over, sure.
Doesn't mean we have to kill them if it can be avoided.
Also, this is Shirou Emiya.
"Oh it's OK you tried to murder me Illya."
"What's that? You brutally murdered Shinji? Come live in my house!"
"I know you've eaten hundreds of people, Sakura, but I'm going to fuck everything up to save you!"

>>3764387
Difference is that we're male.

Guys! I remember something we need to see if we can use our magic to create.
Internally Accelerating Grenade Knives.

>>3764393
Tsubaki isn't though.
Uh.
Kind of.
>>3764376
Did we ever even tell Truvi we brainwashed Kikuko?

>>3764387
I really don't care about killing them at all. If we never see them for the rest of the war then great but if they start shit again there's going to be a fight and Alberich isn't going to make the same mistake twice.

>>3764387
>Also, this is Shirou Emiya.
For Ilya she was always pretty open about killing him. So this was never much a question of trust with her. Also she was interested in killing him and Shirou has a bit of a problem with valuing his own life.

As for Sakura. Well first she wasn't exactly in her right mind at the time, she's also someone he knew for years and loved.

We did betray him knowing exactly what we did, we know him only for a few days and I rather doubt he has those kinds of feelings for us.
>>3764402
>Tsubaki isn't though.
Tsubaki is a serial killer and she's not really regretting it or interested in redemption.
>Did we ever even tell Truvi we brainwashed Kikuko?
No idea, but if Truvi isn't stupid she might have noticed Kikuko's change in behavior, because that wasn't really subtle and the fact that we also did treat her strangely for someone who just backstabbed us.

>>3764420
Of course, if they try to stop us, Rider and Shirou likely won't be surviving the encounter.

Rin isn't really a threat, however.
I'm hoping that by the next time we fight them we can easily kill them both.
Give them a last "leave or die" after kicking the shit out of the both of them.

Well we will see.

>>3764430
>Tsubaki is a serial killer
So is Alberich though.
>>3764430
There are plenty of things more reasonable to think of than insta-brainwashing, honestly. Stockholm Syndrome, for one.

The only lie we really made to them was setting them up against Berserker.
Which we really had no choice about doing because Einzbern.

I suppose sheltering Tsubaki also counts though. She's our sister and we've been trying to wean her off eating families. Which is something at least.

It's a simple choice, Shirou.
My Life + People I care about's lives >>>> Normalfags.

>>3764454
>So is Alberich though.
Not helping your case here.
>There are plenty of things more reasonable to think of than insta-brainwashing, honestly. Stockholm Syndrome, for one.
Stockholm Syndrome is not nearly that fast.
>The only lie we really made to them was setting them up against Berserker.
>Which we really had no choice about doing because Einzbern.
Not telling them about our contact with the Einzbern. Setting them up. Lying about Tsubaki and hiding her. Trying to get them killed. Lying about our motivation and how we want to stop the grail war together with them.
>It's a simple choice, Shirou.
And Shirou has made it pretty clear that while he regrets it he disagrees and will kill us to stop us.

>>3764474
An addendum to our message.
>"And if you fuck with me I'll have Caster scry for your family and deal with them faster than you can drown in your own ideals and die."

Shirou might want to stop us, but he's unwilling to sacrifice everything to do so.

>didn't reveal contact with the Einzbern
Couldn't, Niemand/Odin would know.
>Setting them up
And not getting Sakura and the kids killed in a huge fight.
>lying about Tsubaki and hiding her
Some people support their sisters, Rin.
>trying to get them killed
We saved their asses multiple times from Berserker. If we actually wanted them dead, we could have delayed just a few milliseconds.
>lying about wanting to stop the war
What Alberich himself wants is irrelevant.
If the war stops, he dies, his siblings die and the two women he loves die.

>>3764500
>Shirou might want to stop us, but he's unwilling to sacrifice everything to do so.
If he believes we will unleash Angra then it won't matter if it is us or him that kills them.
>Couldn't, Niemand/Odin would know.
In which case why would we let them run? Odin would find out.
It would also mean that the entire situation could easily repeat and we would be forced to lie to them again at any point.
>And not getting Sakura and the kids killed in a huge fight.
Allegedly. The would only have our word for that and we did admit directly in front of them that our motive for that was that wanted their help in killing Berserker.
>Some people support their sisters, Rin.
This is understandable, but not a reason to trust us. It's rather the opposite another thing we are willing to lie to them about.
>We saved their asses multiple times from Berserker. If we actually wanted them dead, we could have delayed just a few milliseconds.
We wanted to defeat Berserker with them. Getting them killed would just have left us to deal with him alone.
>What Alberich himself wants is irrelevant.
>If the war stops, he dies, his siblings die and the two women he loves die.
It isn't. We literally lied about our entire motivation and wanting to help them stop the war. We literally proved that to get the war to conclusion we are willing to lie and tell them what they want to hear and in the next moment betray them.
Acting out of understandable reasons does not make someone trustworthy.

On a less depressing note and one that isn't about the Emiyas.

Adelheid is gonna be fucking ecstatic that we now know perfect German.

Are we gonna have to learn Greek in order to keep Circe happy?

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>>3764539
>If he believes we will unleash Angra then it won't matter if it is us or him that kills them.
This is HF Shirou though. The guy that put the world in danger to save Sakura in the first place.
You think that such a threat wouldn't work on this Shirou? Hell, by threatening Taiga, Caster basically checkmates him here.

Whether or not he considers Alberich trustworthy, he'll just have to hope he is and that Manjew won't make an appearance.

Shirou doesn't just turn into Kerry if his loved ones are threatened.

>>3764572
Oh.
And I should mention that that is UBW Shirou.
Who is far more dedicated to his dream than HF Shirou.

Honestly, I think you're all overestimating Shirou's ability to hold a grudge against somebody in Alberich's situation.

We might have betrayed him, but in doing so, we proved to Lily that Sakura isn't an immediate threat and managed to delay their deaths and give them more time. That may or may not have been our intention, but it's how things played out.

It's a shame, but we have no choice. Their only option left is to retreat, or die.

We just need to make them realise that sometimes there's nothing you can do.

God damn it why does Shirou's moralfaggotry have to be so endearing.

>>3764793
The problem is that Shirou has already decided our life is less important than everyone else's. While he may not hold a grudge against us...
>God damn it why does Shirou's moralfaggotry have to be so endearing.
Maybe to you. If I see the little shit again Circe gets a new wand.

>>3764845
Well we'll have to see how things develop.
He's easy to beat, just hold Taiga/Sakura/his children hostage.

>>3764793
>Honestly, I think you're all overestimating Shirou's ability to hold a grudge against somebody in Alberich's situation.
This has nothing to do with a grudge and everything with the fact that our goals are opposing and he can't trust us to keep our word.

>>3764867
He can trust what the fuck he wants, Shirou can't do shit if we threaten his loved ones.
He can choose to go out and try to stop the war and put Sakura and the kids in danger by doing so.
Basically, he's fucked.

I have to apologize again for the delay. As I've said, I've been having a hard time at work lately; and frankly, a difficult time focusing on writing when I am off. I hope to post an update tomorrow.

>>3765191
you better finish that update before i post swimsuit alberich

>>3765343
Too late.

Ruler
>True Name: Alberich
>Gender: Male
>Height: 6'2"
>Weight: 79KG
>Alignment: Lawful Evil

Emotional Status:
>[Pride~70 (10MF)]
>[Self-Preservation~41 (10MF)]
>[Duty~36 (10MF)]
>[Compassion~39]
>[Desire~43] (Primary: Sadism, Battle-Lust, Romance, Curiosity)

Parameters:
>Strength: A
>Endurance: B
>Agility: A
>Magical Energy: B
>Luck: A
>Noble Phantasm: A

Class Skills:

>True Name Discernment: A
>A skill which allows the owner to see information about other Servants such as the true name, parameters, skills and Noble Phantasms. Ruler has gained access to the files of the Public Morals Committee after becoming the President.
>God's Resolution: EX
>The right to use Command Spells against other Servants. Although Ruler's Command Spells can be used more than once, they're only useful against swimsuit Servants.
>Magic Resistance: A
>Nullifies all magic of Rank A or below, no matter what its effect is. Due to the magically anchored nature of his existence, Ruler is immune to most modern thaumaturgies; only a magecraft of immense power could affect him without his permission.
>Surfing: EX
>A subclass of the Riding skill. At this rank, earned through gruelling training, anything can be used as a surfboard.

Personal Skills:
>Conceptual Biology: A+
>A body radically altered by the empowerment of the Silver Grail and Akeldama. In addition to functioning physically on a level far beyond that of a human, numerous changes to Saber's internal workings have occurred. His biology is no longer material, having been incorporated into his conceptual framework: as a partial consequence of this state of existence, the consumption of enchanted food, potions, inedible items disguised as food, and other harmful things will not affect this inhuman biology.
>Mind's Eye (True): C+
>The "combat tactics" which are the mark of an experienced and stoic fighter. Saber is capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and can deduce an appropriate course of action to triumph over a given predicament. It improves significantly against a swimsuit Servant.
>Beachside Tyranny: A++
>The power of the Public Morals Committee, brought to bear against an epidemic of indecency in the summertime -- or so Ruler claims. In truth, he uses it to pursue his own personal vendettas and assert dominance over others. This skill seals the skills of enemy swimsuit Servants and applies a Rank-Down to their Noble Phantasms, acts as a combination of Charisma and Beach Flower upon allied swimsuit Servants, and improves Ruler's abilities.

>1/2

>>3765560
Noble Phantasms:

The Beach Towel of Void, Kenótis: -- Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm.
>Saber's cloak functions as a portal to the world of his origin and element, Imaginary Numbers. However, its only use in the summertime is to be an elaborate beach towel.
>The Key of God, Heiligöffnungschaufel: A Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm.
>This tool is "The Key and the Gate," a holy shovel blessed with power over Nothingness. As long as Nothingness exists, it cannot be damaged or dulled. Physically it is a hand-and-a-half beach shovel, with a head of an uncertain, non-reflective black material and an ornate handle and pommel of silver and carved jewels. Since its head is actually a gateway to the world of Imaginary Numbers, there is no substance that this weapon cannot dig through. In addition, by expending a great deal of energy, Saber is able to exert miraculous power over that realm through Heiligöffnungschaufel.
>The Guardians of Decency, 公安委員会: EX Rank Anti-Team Noble Phantasm.
>Recent reports have uncovered hidden transactions between influential beachgoers and local Yakuza thugs, who were hired to prevent the Public Morals Committee from interfering with their summer fun. To counteract these criminal methods, the President has authorized the use of the 運 System in order to instantly summon all other members of the Committee whenever a member is in danger. The current members are:
>Alberich -- President
>Minamoto no Raikou -- Vice-President
>Adelheid -- Enforcer
>Circe -- Controller
>Blavatsky -- Treasurer

>2/2

>>3765560
>>3765567
God damn it, anon.
Not bad.

On a different topic, I wonder how our next meeting with Arturia will go.

>>3765630
"You know, Saber, just the other day I came across the oddest people. Did you know that these people knew you from the last Grail War? Emiya Shirou, Tohsaka Rin, Matou Sakura and her Rider. As for where they are now -- I gutted them like the mongrels they were, so I'm terribly sorry if you were planning some sort of reunion."

>>3765654
Well, that's just needlessly cruel.
Also untrue considering we plan on dealing with Saber first.

Dead quest, dead dreams

>>3765675
Retard.

>>3765675
>not believing in sweets
rude

I wonder how endgame Alberich would do in the fourth war.
Have the 8 year old Illya accidentally summon him as Extra Saber after Kerry leaves for Japan with Arturia.

Endgame Alberich with Illya as his Master should be able to stomp everyone bar Gilgamesh, who he should have a fairly decent shot at beating.
Wonder how he'd deal with Loli Rin and Sakura.

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>>3765849
>Wonder how he'd deal with Loli Rin and Sakura.

>>3765851
I meant more in the "does he bother helping either" sense.

I wonder what his reaction to Zouken or Caster would be like.

>>3765849
>Saber
Endgame Alberich (henceforth known as EA) will kill her in the same way as he has already.
Although the presence of Avalon will complicate things.
>Diarmuid
Deer Mud's an interesting challenge -- Gae Dearg will tear apart Nothingness constructs and Knight Tactics will force EA to fuck up. Nothing Andreias Amarantos can't carry, though.
>Gilgamesh
The toughest enemy. Andreias Amarantos is useless because of Gil's B Rank Divinity and he has something in his treasury to deal with IN Realm attacks. However, Kenótis is a hard counter to Gate of Babylon and Gil doesn't have endgame sword in his vault, so EA has good chances here.
>Lancelot
Dies to portal bullshit.
NEXT
>Iskandar
Not too difficult. EA can pull out big monsters on demand to deal with Gordius Wheel and Ioniai Hetairoi, and Iskandar isn't good enough to beat him.
>Bluebeard
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Hassan of the Hundred Faces
If they surrender the loli they might have a chance.

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>>3765849
>Wonder how he'd deal with Loli Rin and Sakura.
I wonder.

>>3765849
...but to answer seriously, we first have to address how they'd get into the War in the first place. Illya was supposedly training with Berserker for quite some time before the 5th War, so it's possible Acht might just have them stay in Austria for 10 years preparing for the next round.

>>3765849
>>3765851
>>3765889
Come on guys.
Alberich may be a pedo but he's not some a pervert!
He's a married man!
He wouldn't go gaga over any and every cute girl he sees.

>>3765900 (checked)
Nobody mentioned any diddling, anon.

>He wouldn't go gaga over any and every cute girl he sees.
(X) Doubt

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>>3765887
Andreias would work differently applied to our armour.
It could work off of attack rank instead of divinity, because Alberich himself has no divinity.
If it's anything like Armour of Fafnir, he'd be hard to hurt at all for everyone.

>>3765896
>"The two of you shall stay here and are not to participate in the fourth war."
>picrelated

>>3765906
The core concept of Andreias Amarantos is "rejecting attacks from enemies without divinity", and that won't change. What changes is the execution.
Remember that the core concepts of Durandal, "unbreakable" and "the power to use three miracles" were unchanged.

>>3765906
Honestly, Endgame Alberich would probably be wise enough to not tamper in past events.

>>3765906
>[ ] Live in a luxurious castle for 10 years as Illya's closest companion (Self-Preservation/Compassion)

>[X] Go to Japan to fight for a corrupted Grail with no backup (Pride)

Are you sure about that choice, anon?

>>3765560
>>3765567
Good stuff, anon. Finally, a character who'll put a stop to the plague of beachside indecency.
Why Raikou, though?

>>3765931
Because she was the President in 'canon' until Alberich took her position.

>>3765934
Ah, I guess that's from a summer event after I quit FGO.

>>3765911
I guess we'll find out what it does after we get it.
EA would be basically unmatched in melee depending on how many sacrifices he gets in.
Knight Tactics is probably cancelled out by Bravery A+ and EotM (True) (whatever rank we get it to). Deermud will fucking die.
>>3765920
Why would he even care?
>>3765921
Damn, not so much when you put it like that.
In that case, he would likely just stick around till the fifth and things would be even more fun.

>>3765953
>Bravery A+
It's not mental interference, it's bullshit manipulation. It even got past Artoria's Instinct (remember that bit when he cuts through her armour?)
But, yes, he's outside EA's weight class.

>>3765953
>Why would he even care?
About the Grail or making sure he doesn't fuck the past up?
Granted, the past would have to already be fucked up for us to get Summoned.

>>3765959
Even if it did work through both Bravery and EotM (true) + Instinct (maybe depending on how many sacrifices)
He'd just immediately die in the first clash when we sunder one of his spears and bisect him anyway.

On the fifth war, poor Saber and Shirou are kind of fucked if Illya shows up with us. Andreias Armour would let us shrug off Archer's shit too.
Illya would probably order their survival again though.

>>3765931
Are you sure about that?

Alberich: I must preserve the decency in this beach day. As the President, this is a task I gladly burden myself with. I have designed this catalog with the clothes I deem consider good enough for the ladies and the gentleman of our grou-.
Circe: Alberich, I found this mini swimsuit in a store. Do you like it?
A:[Burns the catalog with a flamethrower, grabs Circe and jumps into the water].

>>3766034
*I deem inapropiate or consider
Phoneposting is suffering.

So how would EA do against the Servants of the Fifth war?
Minus Berserker, who I guess would be a wildcard with a wildcard Master.

>>3766154
I mean, Medea would be a fun one.
Honestly, all Alberich needs to discern her identity would be a look at her staff or hearing HSDWs.
What would he do upon realising her identity?
What would Medea make of it?

I do wonder how Endgame Alberich and 5th war Gilgamesh would feel about each other.

Well unless it's somewhat following UBW, then the two will kind of just screech angrily at each other until the other one is dead during Gil's attack on the Einzbern Castle.

Well, if that still happens after all the divergences, anyway.

Something tells me Kirei wouldn't survive long around Alberich.
On principle, due to being too Judas-y.

He'd be able to tell who EMIYA is immediately.
A few Servants will just get their weapons cut in half, most likely Assassin and Lancer.
Rider with Shinji as her Master isn't even close to a threat.
EA would have already defeated Saber so a weaker Saber isn't really a threat at all.

>>3766637
>Kirei vs Alberich
>ah you think the mud is your ally

>>3766664
>I was born in it, moulded by it, it was two weeks before I even saw the real world.

>>3766664
Letting ourselves get hit by grail mud seems like a bad idea, just in case Manjew can effect us.
Kirei gets shredded immediately by any servant taking him half seriously.
A dying Lancer killed him easily.

He's honestly not an issue.
We could even cut him into pieces with razor sharp Imaginary Number Wire or something if we wanted.

We should try making that actually.
Nearly invisible wires designed to cut through things.

Can you imagine how much bullying Saber would suffer in the Fifth War with Endgame Alberich AND Gilgamesh there.
Especially considering that she's weaker than she was when Alberich first encountered her.

Endgame Alberich with Illya as his Master would probably be As and A+s across the board with an assload of skills and Broken Noble Phantasms to boot.

>"I don't even know why this other Saber hates me so much, but he won't stop trash talking me."
>"oh no, the golden asshole from the last war is here and he keeps trying to get me to marry him"
>"wait, what does he mean by 'I'll enjoy killing you again'?"

Oh, and here's a question, could we use the magic from a command spell to give us enough magical energy to permanently upgrade ourselves, do you think?
Kind of unfortunate Ayaka only has one left.

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God damn it I miss Circe so much.

>>3766949
Reunion literally never

>>3766949
If we find her, Alberich [Desire: Romance] will get at least a +10.

>>3766949
We all do, anon.
We all do.
We're gonna need to get a spear and learn Greek.
We've not really been acting like her vision of what a hero should be, other than using our intelligence to get ourselves out of tricky situations.
Hopefully applying Gungnir gives Heilig a spear form.
Durandal as Durindana could switch from spear to sword I believe so that might help.

Bravery A+ and occasionally choosing to fight unarmed would help too.

Meanwhile, we're kind of becoming Adelheid's perfect hero.

>>3766953
Shut up!

>>3766949
So how much INTENSE Bed Breaking Mana Transfer do you think there will be between the two?

But in all seriousness, I have to wonder what her first response is when she finds out the situation we're stuck in.

>>3766949
And Adelheid.

>>3766960
We are not Ulisus, we are Alberich. If she wants a hero we are a hero, but I'm against changing that much just to fulfill a toxic fantasy. I think that, at the beginning of Akeldama, she wanted a replacement for her lost hero (maybe literally), then she started loving Alberich for qho he is and not for who he could be (but if she is still trying to make us into Oddiseus 2.0 it will shatter all of Alberich affection points in one go).

>>3766975
I mean, it wouldn't hurt if we learned how to use other weapons.
Learning Greek would just be a nice thing to do for her sake.
We speak perfect German now, regardless.

If Heilig is gonna become some EX rank godsword, why would we use it against everything? There's no way to enjoy a battle if you end it too quickly.
We may as well learn how to use other weapons.
There's a spear/lance Noble Phantasm we need to take from somebody also.

>>3766983
Our second most common means of fighting is just our fists. If we ever get to the point where using our sword is too easy or boring I'd prefer to just stick to hand to hand until necessary.

>>3766983
>Saber
>Most of the time, I use a spear. See, there's this girl I know a girl who really likes them, and...
Where's your Pride, anon?

>>3766991
If Gilgamesh can call himself Archer and never touch a fucking bow I think a Saber using a spear is perfectly reasonable.
I don't just mean a spear though, we should probably try and master many different weapons.

A spear is basically just a sword with a long handle.

>>3766997
The difference here is that Gilgamesh became an Archer due to others' labeling. You chose to be a Saber.

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>>3766974
Ah yes, how can I forget

>>3766997
>If Gilgamesh can call himself Archer and never touch a fucking bow
Proto-Gil uses a bow.
>I think a Saber using a spear is perfectly reasonable.
...I guess??? rama exists

>>3766997
Also there's nothing better than disrespecting your opponent and purposely holding back by using weapons you aren't as skilled with.
Really gets the "I'm not taking you seriously" vibe going.
Also how else would we confuse our opponents and pretend we're a different class to every opponent. Nobody ever expects Archer to pull out a sword.
>>3767024
Doesn't mean we should only ever know how to use a sword though.
Honestly, what sort of Knight is only proficient with a single type of weapon?
...
What sort of Knight can't ride a horse?

God, there's so much Alberich needs to learn and accomplish still.
If he gets the opportunity to gain everything we want, through sacrifices and his own effort, he'll be immensely powerful.

At the end of his legend, he should easily be Gil/Grand tier.

Eye of the Mind (True) at A rank in addition to A rank Instinct would practically make him invincible in close quarters. The only person with a shot at outskilling that would be Sasaki, and Tsubame Gaeshi would just worthlessly clang off of the NP armour before his sword gets cut in half.

I swear to god, if I ever get this update finished I will die before anyone else goes to an amusement park in one of my quests.

>>3767345
While you're here, Sweets, do we have Roland's memories from the time of his summoning onward, or just his life story?

>>3767400
Just the life story, I'm afraid. You'd have to consume the entirety of his soul to get all of his memories, thoughts, etc. The memories of this summoning have already returned to the Throne.

>>3767345
Wait, are you doing that segment all in one go?

>>3767466
Not entirely sure just yet. I'm writing until the story breaks off for a choice, which I usually find happens organically.
That said, there'll be no update tonight. Sorry once again, everyone. I really, definitely will post an update in the next 18 hours, though. Depend on it.
After that, updates should resume their daily pace.

We should probably think of the best way to explain Akeldama and our existence to a somewhat concerned Tsundere and Luvia.

I mean, we're giving her the whole truth, but we should probably phrase it in a way that won't upset her.
Also that the Einzbern girl sort of just assumed we were her brother.

>>3767657
Why don't we just give it to them straight? Except for the parts about not existing before the Akeldama and the four extra Servants, of course -- Luvia doesn't need to know those.
They already know from Truvi's testimony that Judas can pull off any bullshit he likes.

>>3767681
>not mentioning the extra servants
Truvi already knows Circe and Adelheid are likely somewhere in the city.
The not-existing part doesn't really hurt us at all to mention.
I don't see why we should hide Korakuhime from them either.

>>3767687
>Truvi already knows Circe and Adelheid are likely somewhere in the city.
Luvia might not. If she does, it doesn't hurt us to hide it; if she does, why reveal such an enormous advantage so soon?
>The not-existing part doesn't really hurt us at all to mention.
Except for being his most closely-hidden secret, and a huge admission to anyone?
>I don't see why we should hide Korakuhime from them either.
Because Luvia's known to have some connection to an enemy, and that makes her untrustworthy.
I don't think she's stupid enough to let Truvi go around Tokyo alone at night during a Grail War.

>>3767694
>if she does, why
If she DOESN'T, I mean.

>>3767694
>our most closely guarded secret
Truvi is already mostly aware of our story though. It's no more a huge admission than saying we were once Rushorou.

We can't just lie to her again after everything.
Also, I imagine Truvi revealed everything, which is why she was permitted to tag along.

We can't tell Truvi she was the first human we ever met if we don't reveal the truth of our existence.

Luvia doesn't matter so much here, she's just another somewhat powerful modern magus as an enemy.
It's possible the Rin and Luvia were sent only to investigate but Rin decided to take matters into her own hands.

>>3767694
What's Luvia going to do with that information anyway? Run off to tell Rin that she's fucked? I'm pretty sure she already knows that.

The way I see it, the Edelfelt have two choices.
Choice 1) maintain good relations with faction with 5 servants on their side, and will totally shake up the entire moonlit world.
Choice 2) die.

The Edelfelt should think of this as an opportunity, honestly.
It's not often that somebody as powerful as Alberich wishes for an alliance.

So here's an idea.
If Rushorou's blossoming romance with Circe and Adelheid made Alberich a cradle robber and Ogawara's time cooking and cleaning made Korakuhime a girl, I wonder how Matsuda's experiences shaped his rebirth's preferences.
If I remember correctly, he seemed to get along sorta well with Truvi even though she wanted nothing to do with him.
Maybe he'll be the big tiddy loving, hag fucking counterpart we need.
I guess while we wait I'll go back and look into Matsuda's interactions with people.

>>3767798
>"You know that Saber servant you told me about? The one that nearly killed both Rider and Sherou all by himself?"
>"Yes, Luvia. I am aware that the other servant didn't interfere in the fight, which is probably the only reason we're still alive."
>"Oh. Actually I'm just here to let you know that he actually has four other extra servants on his side."
>"Excuse me but what the fuck?"
>"Also the thing he told you about Caster's Noble Phantasm was also kind of true too. Truvi got caught in it."

>>3767701
>>3767798
>>3767819
excuse me for wanting be on the side of caution
And you do realize that if any of our enemies found out they'd go tell Antaglio right away, don't you?
>>3767805
>Maybe he'll be the big tiddy loving, hag fucking counterpart we need.
I hope so. As much as I love Alberich I can't betray my ideals

>>3767842
The Emiyas already have enough to tell Antaglio.
Oh wait they can't, because they aren't supposed to be in the war.
By the time anybody thinks of telling Antaglio, I intend to have already had him sacrificed to give his command spells to Ayaka.
The Shijou Ritual is most likely capable of such a thing.

>>3767855
Yeah, it's almost like the presence of the administrator benifits us more than it does the people actively attempting to undermine the grail war.

>>3767886
Funny how it works out like that, isn't it?

We may as well tell Truvi everything and not bother hiding stuff at this point.

If we save the Emiya rematch for last, Shirou is kind of screwed.
There's nothing he could possibly do to Alberich after... lets say the 3 remaining Servants and 3 mass sacrifices.
Then again, he'd probably be capable of going against Odin with that many powerups.

It's a shame that we don't know if we could use the energy from command spells to permanently become more powerful.
Damn it, Ayaka.

What are the odds Sakura somehow manages to go full Shadow if we actually kill Rin, Shirou and Rider?

>>3769008
While she's probably the most gifted Imaginary Numbers magus, most of her power came from being an Imitation Lesser Grail and being connected to Angry Manju and the Swirl of the Root through the Greater Grail. She shouldn't be able to use the Shadow anymore without a connection with the Tokyo Greater Grail.

>>3769028
Then they are trutly fucked.
By the way, we should at least try to avoid full lolicon Alberich and make him interact romantically with some legal females, like seriously, the only trait I really dislike about him is the "Humbert Humbert". I can pass the Circe relationship because she is more a teenager than full loli but things are getting out of hand, our boy needs at least to talk with women of his own age (that aren't trying to kill in that moment).

>>3769052
*to kill him in that moment.

>>3769052
>talk with women of his own age
Newborns don't tend to be good for conversations.
Oh!
I gotchu.
Tsubaki route it is.

>>3769064
Jokes aside, he sort of got along OK with Rin before the betrayal, obviously not romantically but it's not like he totally shuns elder women.
He isn't attracted to people that look his age right now, and unless the Hag of Archer tries to join his side and seduce him or something after Archer is btfo he'll probably remain attracted to younger girls.

Unless Ayaka ramps up her affections or if Truvi out of nowhere goes full Deredere.

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>>3767483
>I really, definitely will post an update in the next 18 hours, though.
>17 hours and 30 minutes ago

>>3769234
https://youtu.be/AQ6vXRGdAto
Here, have this convenient timer. I'm sitting here writing at this very moment.

Alright, fuck. I'll post this thing eventually, anyway. However long this may go on, I'm not dead.

>>3769320
I'm just joking around anyway.
...
Being a europoor is suffering.

>>3769326
Like half the updates in this quest have been posted in the wee small hours of the morning my time. My brain doesn't work on anyone's reasonable schedule, unfortunately.

>>3769329
Some people post updates in sections so we at least have something to read and discuss

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>>3769247
>>3769320
>>3769329
update never ever ever

>>3769329
Goddamnit Sweets, you can't edge me this long it's inhumane.

>>3769568
>>3769651
Don't worry, I'm working on the update now.

>>3769653
That is a statement that has no bearing on the amount of time until the next update Sweets. You're just edging me even harder you shameless minx!

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>>3769665
But it's better than just disappearing, isn't it?

>>3769675
I have invested my hopes, dreams and black lotus card collection into future talk with Luvia.

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Waiting warmly.

>>3769723
Have you cooled down yet?

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>>3769869

RIP Sweets: Died trying to write out an amusement park sequence.

>>3769886
Sorry but Sweets got isekai`d as Alberich into standard japanese isekai fantasy world.
Probably already has a harem with minimum of two lolis.

>>3769889
What, did Truck-kun crash into his bedroom?

>>3769890
Outer Assassin needed to protect his identity from us at all costs so he used The Death of the Author: EX to knife Sweets few times and throw his body under the moving train to masquerade death a suicide.
Unless of course you believe that Hassan of the Truck actually exist and got him first.

>>3769899
Oh god, not the Hassan of the Isekai Truck. He'll send us to another grail war, to rescue princess Peach, to fight (usurp) Sauron or some shit like that.

>>3769899
>Unless of course you believe that Hassan of the Truck actually exist and got him first.
What, Outer Assassin couldn't have been Hassan of the Inexplicable Truck?

>>3769907
he'll put us in a familiar of zero fanfic

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>>3769907
>>3769912
>>3769920
Ah Akeldama home.

I miss Kikuko.

>>3769956
Well you're in luck because we're going to meet her again in the amusement park!
Just as soon as we get to the damn place.

>>3769959
Don't jinx it.

You know what would be fun?
>Alberich at the end of his legend has both Affections of the Goddess A+ and Affections of the Holy Grail A+
>All Parameters A/A+ except Luck: B (EX)

>>3767805
Welp I've reread all of Akeldama while we've been waiting for this update.
Here are some things I've found about our Brother.

Matsuda Notes
>Matsuda seemed to have woken up with 2 of his "friends" and watched them die before Rushrou came to help. Beat the shit outta the skelly's that hurt them. Very much wanted to kill every skeleton he found afterward.
(Hot blooded)

>Was very willing to let Rushrou take the lead right off the bat, despite not being inclined to help anyone but his "buddies"
(Quick to anger, but Easily convinced by reasonable plans. Quick to act, but will wait for "orders" to do so.)

>Very attentive during the Lancer/Saber fight and accurately predicted the outcome of the battle.
(Instinct?)

>Considers Matsuda a "natural-born gofer"
>Has never touched a stove, "Mother" was very...tradition about a man's place in the house.
>"Matsuda seems satisfied to smoke his cigarette and wait for the situation to reach a conclusion."
(Not very handy outside of battle or training for battle)

>"Kaichou, you've saved my life twice since we showed up here. Four times, if ya count when missy over there saved the lot o' us from those skeletons. When that bastard had his knife to my throat, you knew it might mean yer own death if ya gave up. But ya still did, 'cause ya didn't want ta see me dead. That's how a real man leads, Kaichou. How a real badass leads. If I left ya here an' never paid ya back, I'd be tha shame o' Cromartie High."
(Very loyal to Rush)

>"Matsuda has holed himself up in his room as well, doing furious pushups and muttering darkly about what he's going to do to Cid."
(I forsee big daddy issues in the future.)

>"Osu! Can't wait to get back into the action!"
(Big excited to fight in the war)

>Was interested in fighting Rush and teaching him about fighting
>Still feels indebted due to not being able to give hands on help.
(Again very loyal, but expect brotherly rivalry)

>Planned on going right back into fighting to get a good life as a yakuza
>"Like I said, it does frustrate me. But there are some situations where there's nothin' you can do. One time, a buddy of mine got in bad with the local yakuza. Same group, I told you's tryin' ta recruit me now, in fact. I don't know what Fujiyama did to 'em, but they were out for blood." He takes a drag on the cigarette, recalling the situation, before continuing, "Now, I'd stuck up for Fujiyama plenty of times before. He had a bad habit of pissin' off rival gangs and needin' me and the rest of my buddies ta bail 'im out. But this time, I didn't lift a finger. When the real mob wants a kid, there's nothin' a high school punk like me can do. That's just the way of it."
(Knows his upper limits)

>"But I'm warning ya, Kaichou," he growls, "don't trust girls like her. All flash and no substance; they'll turn on ya in a minute." (Hates Thots)

Over all I found it surprising how little Matsuda interacted with anyone once he carved out his little area in the gym.