I think it's pretty cool. It's really just a way of the DM having a DMPC without it being obvious, so it serves that purpose well.

GRRRRRIIIIFFFFFFIIIIITH

It sounds like you have faith in this DM. Talk to him about these concerns and make sure you're able to do this.

Cool story, bro. Go for it, sounds like it'd be awesome.

>>7256464
Op here, I just posted in this thread to see if anything can still move my heart.
Nothing can.

Meh. It's been done.

A better question: do you want to do it, can you pull it off, and just how are you going to go about this? Do you know how you are going to get power, do you know what the other PCs are playing and how you will connect with them? Do you know how you will actually make this character dynamic and interesting, rather than a cliche "Gotcha!" backstab?

There's not much we can tell you with this info. Done well, it could be an awesome feat of storytelling that pushes the campaign to greater glory. Done poorly, it could be a ludicrous or grating experience that annoys everyone at the table.

Try for the former. Beyond that, we can't give much advice.

the picture of Griffith makes me think:

You want it to be a "I'd do it if I was in your shoes too, but so help me God I'll kick your ass because"

The kind of material that would make a paladin willingly fall.

>>7256441
Build a weakness into the BBEG in the first few games. Develop a paralyzing phobia or something.

"Oh fuuuuuuuuuu! Not the whip!"

>>7256472
GRIFFFFFFFFFFITHSUUUUUUUUUUU

>>7256441
Go for it. Bonus points if you and the GM fool the other players into thinking that it wasn't planned and that your actions changed the course of the whole campaign.

Awesome. Just make sure both you and the DM can handle the betrayal properly, without dragging it out too long (Inevitably turns into player conflict) or making the delivery too ham-fisted.

Do it.

The very best BBEGs I've ever come across personally were ones played by another player in my group as NPCs. In those cases, it was clear that the guy was playing the villain though.

In your situation, it just becomes more deliciously devious.

I'm in a similar situation, only in my case it wasn't EXPLICITLY stated he wanted me to become the BBEG. My advice is just play happy adventurer all the while, but always be formulating counter-strategies to the tactics and abilities you see your fellow PC's demonstrating (Have a plan to kill everyone you meet, to quote the sniper), and spend your spare time creating constructs, be they weapons, social, or literal constructs, that are crazy enough that the party would never think them up independently. This if you are forced into a confrontation more or less immediately after your betrayal you will still have a bag of tricks to call on, even prior to your inevitable visit to villainmart. Now also remember to extend this to any NPCs that might concievably come to the aid of the PCs.

For instance, you determine the Fighter has a phobia of bees. Craft a beehive into a poor quality quarterstaff. As soon as you parry with it, it breaks, releasing a hive of bees. BAM. But of course thats low level shenanigans. Whether it might be more appropriate to say, have a magical vial that opens a portal to the elemental plane of bees when shattered, is really down to what you have to work with.

Also, every opportunity you have to do this without their knowledge, gather additional information that will help you exploit them more. Being party healer would be excellent for this. Do something else to look busy in combat while the fighter is begging for heals, then gather information about him while you are healing his incapacitated wreck of a body.

>>7256822
>the elemental plane of bees

My god.

>>7256822
>Elemental plane of bees
>Bee elementals

You guys don't remember that story where some guys entire setting died as a result of a portal to the elemental plane of kittens?

For whatever reason they decided that the proper way to deal with some specific BBEG was to open a portal to the elemental plane of kittens. They LEFT IT OPEN after the fight, kittens still spilling out. After a few days, the kittens filled the tower. After a month, the kittens spilled over the brim of the canyon that the tower was located in. At this point the PCs realised that action might have to be taken, but they were unable to pierce deep enough to the crushing pressures of kitten zero, inside the fort somewhere. And so ultimately the entire homeplane as smothered by kittens in a kittenpocaylpse as it were. The world ended not with a bang, but a mewling whimper.

This is an excellent way of making the players connect with the BBEG, assuming you're confident enough to pull it off. The only thing that could go wrong is the players somehow managing to stop your "ascension" (whether through making you want to not become evil, or by physically stopping you) and the DM just railroading them on, but if you avoid that, it should be good.

Hopefully, you're going for "I really have to become evil guys, sorry" rather than "I never really was on your side."

I think it would work better if he had to play all the way through, and at the end of the campaign become the BBEG and then fight against the other players.

rolled 9, 13, 8 = 30

>>7256868
They aren't as bad as arrow elementals from the elemental plane of arrows, or uranium elementals from the periodic plane of elements.

>>7256991
What? That pretty much removes every last fun part from being the BBEG.

>>7257020
How so? I feel it adds the extra bit of heart wrenching pain to the players when not only does one of their fellow PCs turn on them, but the player himself.

>>7256954
Op here. Thanks for the tips!

To explain further, whenever I play with this dm, im always the party leader.
I dont dominate or anything stupid, ive just been playing D and D much longer and kinda help around the newer guys by the hand (we play at a game store).

You know, "hey, maybe we should _____" kinda things.

So me and the DM basically assume this is gonna happen again, and not-griffith will use this his advantage.

>>7257059
I assumed you were in the "elder player" role with the group/DM. Definitely go ahead with it.
How about making that second character that's going to replace the BBEG very similar to him? That'll add some delicious paranoia to the group, unless your game is too gritty, in which case it'll just get the guy killed in the first five minutes after meeting them.

God dammit. Every time I think about what Griffith did, I fucking RAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Put a twist on it. Make it an evil party, and the BBEG goes good.