god dammit

>>9306119
If it makes you feel any better, I took the time to post your message on another site.

>>9306229

I also did this.

wait, what?

you can't fight cancer one at a time.

I would've voted but too lazy to sign up.

Also, you want to beat the black kids and their lazy parents spamming 'vote' for the community center ? Or local government who would rather cut off cancer research funds in order to save a few bucks off the local budget on building a new school? The horror film festival is just a terrible idea.

Present this vote to the local hospital and get the patients to vote.

I went ahead and gave it a vote. Fuck anyone who votes for the other selfish bullshit.

>>9306119

you gotta learn how to sell your post man

anyway - /co/, /r9k/, & /sci/ are in on this

>>>/co/16125742
>>>/sci/761031
>>>/r9k/8472420

vote & or spread the word

>>9306360

...that's...a really good idea actually - thanks

I voted. Fuck cancer and fuck every fund that is beating the treatment fund.

The project coordinator for the community center gets 50 grand of the funding

I WANT THAT JOB

Im doing my part!. Want to know more?

>>9306873

uhh sure?

>2010, the cure for cancer has been found

>Total cost for treatment and rehabilitation: 182099.99$ + tax

My mom was diagnosed a few months ago with colon cancer.

Shit sucks, man. Shit sucks.

I have my doubts that it'll pan out, but I'm voting for the idea, because if it does, that's a lot of lives saved.

wait....

fucking cancer?

fucking old person's disease?

fuck old people.

>>9307027
Sorry, Anon. What do the docs think her chances are?

My sister was just declared into remission from leukemia, and a close friend just got done with chemo from very advanced lymphoma. Hasn't been a good year for the folks close to me.

>>9307089

YOUR IGNORANCE IS ASTOUNDING.

Man, that global school thing sounds good too...

Post this on Digg. It'll get a lot more votes.

>>9307165

the top two choices get the funding

TWO WINNERS

>>9307116
I find it amusing that you're in a constant state of rage, yet you tend to be one of the most reasonable, likable tripfags.

Also votan to kick the shit outta cancer.

>>9306000
destroying the cancer cells and leaving the nearby healthy cells intact

Does it work on /b/?

>>9307116

No seriously. over 9000 hours on the internet gives me this
http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2007/browse_csr.php?section=1&page=sect_01_table.11.html

note that the median age is 60+ for basically every cancer on the list.

Not that young people don't die from cancer, but you don't see stuff about allowing hip replacements for everyone.

>>9307089

My friend got cancer at 14

>>9307183
There are no healthy cells, friend.

>>>/co/16125742 (404'd but got alot of support)
>>>/r9k/8472420
>>>/tg/9306000
>>>/b/218726855
>>>/sci/761031

>>9307183

let them vote first

>>9307212
My first girlfriend died of cancer at the age of 16.

I got to watch. Shit suxs.

Vote to cure cancer, /tg/!

You have my sword, /tg/.
I'll vote for this as many times as needed.

>>9307218
>>9307251

Yes, it does suck.

However, most fucking people who die young will die of being hit by a car or some other blunt force trauma thing.

Do you see an option for preventing that?

>>9307165

Ffffff that. I'd rather improve our system than give it to someone else.

>>9307275
> Can't prevent some things. Better not fix the others.

>>9307275
We have two. "Helmets" and "awareness beyond your arms' reach".

The only causes worth donating to are the houses for people who have lost a child and this one. Those are the only two that should get any funding. Fuck your community center, fuck your grade school.

We can cure cancer just as soon as we set up a colony on the moon. It's getting kind of crowded down here..

>>9307237
You want we should crosspost this to as many boards as we all individually frequent? I mean hell, if you can post in on /b/...

>>9307338
"What's that, you have one less person living in your house? HERE! HAVE A NEW, BIGGER HOUSE!"

Well, just as I imagined, the thread I posted on that site got 2 posts and fell off the front page.

It was Newgrounds by the way, I still can't believe I hanged around there. Instead their celebrating Hitler's birthday and 'oh man I'm gonna get so high'.

>>9307237

Crosspost to /k/ & /g/ as they'll happily vote down schools and community centers

then to /r9k/ for the traffic

>>9307359

"Bawww, depression, can't function in society, bawww"

>Cancer cure being beaten out by FUCKING FILM-MAKERS
>WHATTHEFUCKAMIREADING.JPEG

I voted to exterminatus cancer, anyone who voted otherwise should be tracked down and sterilized. Although I did vote in the lesser funding categories for all the building shelters/etc. for animals.

This makes coming to 4chan the most worthy thing I have done today.

Kinda odd isn't it?

>>>/k/5783452
>>>/g/9893359

These are gonna take some work to keep bumped until they catch posters.

>>9307275

true, but the Pepsi funding HAS to go somewhere

why not the cancer research?

let me remind you, one of the other choices is a fucking horror film festival

>>9307354

you don't have to - you can spread the word beyond 4chan (Facebook, Digg, ect.)

this started in /sci/ and grew on to /r9k/ for more support - you (/tg/) and /co/ were called on to help first because of your friendly reputations, alot of support was obtained in /co/ before the thread got deleted

I guess it depends on the board

/b/ being /b/, are unpredictable on how they react to certain causes - thankfully it's going over well with the majority there

>>9307299

Oh come on, that's not fair.

You know what he was trying to say is that cancer affects more old people than young people.

Not to imply that this lessens the effects on cancer patients of either age.

>>9307332

We don't have enough of each, because if we did, then cancer would beat out those kinds of deaths.

>go to 4chan on 4/20
>vote in favour of bitchslapping cancer
>feels good man :3

YOU CAN VOTE EVERYDAY UNTIL IT ENDS ON THE 30TH

I've lost too many family members to cancer to not give a shit.

You have my vote, OP.

>>9307453
WELCOME TO AMERICA.

Posted this on facebook.

My relative is dying of cancer. OP, you have my vote. Onward, fa/tg/uys! FOR JUSTICE!

See, I care about off-topic stuff like this so much more than faggots. For that alone, I'll vote all night!

>>9308072
hypocrite you either loathe all offtopic shit or none you dont get to pick and choose faggot.

Fuck Cancer.

Linked this to my Facebook.

In the name of the Emperor, let no cells survive.

Also, have a free bump.

If 4chan feels so strongly about this they should email moot for stickies on the frontpage of every board.

>Pepsi
Oh, look. Pepsi. Spamming 4chan.

Just voted. God speed /tg/, god speed.

Voted, put it up on my facebook.

I don't suppose we could break this one like we did with Time's Most Influential People?

>>9308288
oh look, a faggot, saging, like it does anything...

>>9308288
In before Shoop Da Whoop

>>9308437
Saging allows you to reply to a thread (usually to express your distaste) without bumping it. It can be used en-masse to make the thread reach its image limit and/or post limit-before-autosage.

There have been other cancer cures that worked on humans that have just been ignored and unfunded, not to mention have already been in use as medicine for other things (Look up DCA). This sounds incredibly complex and expensive.

>>9308465
and in singular posts by an heartless douche, does nothing.

>>9308437
Sage.

Voted. Have a good evening brother

>>9306360
too lazy to sign up? it takes like 4 fucking seconds dude! they dont even have to RSVP the fucking thing.

What the fuck. I have ten votes a day, but I can only vote for each thing once?

>>9306360
seriously? do you not even have a Facebook? if you do you can just use that to vote...you don't even have to sign up for anything

I appreciate the effort, and I voted. I'm just postan' pic related to demonstrate that cancer is a nightmare mode disease, and that, most likely, no miracle cure (and you know they come along every few years) is going to work.

>>9308470
Info

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/2007-03-15_Update.cfm

Curing cancer with nanotech and radiowaves? Voting for this makes the world more cyberpunk, something I can get behind.

A troll? A pepsi spammer? Maybe several?

All too confusing.

>>9308533
Well fuck, a very slim chance of making shit better is better than nothing. And better than a film festival.

>>9308558
clearly much better than a grade school as well

>>9308545
Those both sound like equally bad ideas.

>>9308533
There's not much point in posting that comic when you yourself do not understand how cancer works.

>>9308151
in the emperors name brother.

>>9308533
thats not entirely correct.Cancer is a nightmare disease, but its not a bunch of mutations simultaneously. Its just one. One that makes the cells grow out of control. All those other effects are stuff your cells do naturally.

But in anycase thats also why this treatment is especially promising. It doesn't rely on shutting down a symptom of a mutation to stop the cancer. Nor does it attempt to fix the problem. It eliminates it completely.

Essentially the benefits of radiation (kills all cells, does so quickly, quick recovery) without the drawbacks (nausea, hair loss, potential for more cancer, kills living cells)

.......

>>9308592
>but its not a bunch of mutations simultaneously. Its just one. One that makes the cells grow out of control

I don't think you understand how mutations work. Or proto-oncogenes.

>>9308592
Just like
>>9308544
?

>>9307089
Whether you are THAT IGNORANT or THAT TROLLING is irrelevant to me. I am now going to focus a whole day's worth of hatred on you, and you alone. In a few minutes, the sum of hatred this world has for you will have increased by a certain percentage, and I will be in a state of blissful emotionlessness for the rest of the day.

Commencing Two Minutes' Hate now.

>>9308580

For the last few years, my professional life consisted mainly of translating clinical studies relating to cancer. If you think you have something to share, please do so, but don't throw around statements with no explanation.

Oh fucking hell if this is trolling it's working.

Mercy motherfucker. Have mercy.

Curing cancer with gold? haha sounds legit to me guys. Please donate to my own cancer research, it involves injecting diamonds into your bloodstream

>>9308613
Um...I do.

Are you retarded? Let me throw down some knowledge.

I said " but its not a bunch of mutations simultaneously. Its just one. One that makes the cells grow out of control. All those other effects are stuff your cells do naturally."

Quick line found from Wikipedia " he proto-oncogene can become an oncogene by a relatively small modification of its original function"

A single mutation causes the cell to begin to grow out of control, utilizing methods that are available already and just not being utilized.

Here's some more knowledge for ya.

When you are in vitro, almost all of your cells are Oncogenes. Its not until you reach adolescence that all of them finally turn off. But these cells don't leave, they lie dormant, UNTIL a mutation in the gene that keeps them dormant reactivates them and causes a cancer.

>>9308710

There is not just one way to fuck up something.

If you look at cancers as caused by DNA damage (which I believe they mostly are), then it means that the coding is fucked up.

Now, as a shitty college students just got into programer, I know that there are many ways to fuck up code, and I figure that a particular fucking up of code is a mutation.

bump

>>9307089

Troll, same thing posted on another boards thread of this.

>>9308793

really?

Someone copied me?

I don't know how to feel.

>>9308740
But I didn't say that there weren't multiple ways. There are. Thousands in fact.

But for any given cancer there is only one.

The comic made it seem like each tumor had 6-10 diffrent causes and thus could resist diffrent treatments.

But each individual tumor has 1 cause, and generally an effective treatment.

And even then, the comic was pointless, because as I pointed out earlier, this treatment would bypass the restrictions placed by type

>>9308710
OH GOD HE'S QUOTING WIKIPEDIA HIS SCIENCE IS FLAWLESS!

Not sure if troll, assuming you aren't.

News flash, man: an oncogene is just shorthand for a gene that is a prerequisite for cancer.

Cells might have abnormal growth with two or three mutations. It might turn into cancer after 5-6. It might be malignant invasive after 8-9.

These are just random numbers but the method is sound. That said, the rapid division and high error rate of cells that are ALREADY cancerous does tend to select for MORE cancerous cancer given enough time.

>>9308740
Er.

A mutation, in the programming sense, is a modification to a data structure. Say, the class that contained information about a person starts uninitialized, but as information is read from a file, the contents are modified in place (in memory) to reflect the contents of the file. Or, a list is populated with more elements.

Accidental mutations are a bitch of a bug to find, because unless you know exactly what pieces of code are changing what, you need to keep track of what each variable is at all times. And if you did know that, you probably wouldn't have this bug in first place.

Then there is code mutation, like in polymorphic viruses: a polymorphic computer virus can rewrite its own code, adding a bunch of useless loops and moving code around; the final code is different, but the effects it has are the same. Since the code is different, the hash is different, and it evades detection by AV software.

Finally there is mutation on genetic algorithms, which is used in AI: you have a bunch of solutions, and randomly you change bits of them or splice them together, and pick the best at each generation. That one is like genetic mutation. Except you are the piece of code and you don't get to survive into the next generation, you are just discarded away with cancer.

Carry on.

>>9308672
I guess my complaints are more about the comic.

Cancer is a naturally-occuring disease, or rather, is constantly occuring in our bodies all the time, all comming down to damage in the DNA. And that damage can occur in any of the ways listed in the comic. Virsues constantly inject their DNA into ours, and can cause cancer. Radiation or other carcinogens can damage the DNA, and cause it. DNA itself wears down over time.

The major problem with cancer is that our body doesn't catch it. When it does, it either outright kills the cells, or forms walls around it to stop it from creating blood vessels (and thus making moles). As we age, our immune system gets worse and the rate at which cells fit that perfect storm of DNA going to shit and every precaution to kill itself fail increase.

Cancer research is an exciting field. Its why I'm studing to become a Genetic Engineer.

>>9306000
Voted, posted to facebook, crossposting this thread on /v/

>>9308811
I'm sorry it seems there was a misunderstanding.

You seem to be talking about malignant cancer, while I'm talking the tiniest tumor.

And even then the comic is inaccurate since most of the supposed mutations are actually just normal growing cell functions.

>>9308809
Even though multiple failures typically have to accumulate to lead to cancer, I do agree that this does not imply that these "different failures" necessitate different treatments.

If anything, it provides more possible avenues of attack against cancer.

Thread reported for not /tg/ related. Take this to /b/.

>>9308855
He has.

>>9308821

Man, this post really makes me think, largely on how I had simplified cancer down to just cancer causing materials, not considered the genetic part.

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>>9308855
This faggot is everywhere. Even /d/.

No mercy even for dickgirls it seems.

>>9308855

>>>/r9k/8472420
>>>/tg/9306000
>>>/co/16125742 (404)
>>>/b/218726855
>>>/sci/761031
>>>/k/5783452 (404)
>>>/g/9893359
>>>/o/2671934
>>>/fit/2807669
>>>/a/33701469
>>>/v/56466719
>>>/co/16128994 (TAKE 3)
>>>/mu/8997689
>>>/x/4109414
>>>/tv/8573121

just took out the film festival

I'll vote so the niggers don't get any more money for their nigger center.

I've read the background on this, plenty of counter-evidence that shows there's no way this can work.

>>9308897

Inductive heating of metal used to treat cancer? Certainly sounds like it'd work.

>>9308897
>>9308911
>I am not a scientist nor am I trained in any way, but I've read articles saying that this isn't real and so I believe it.

Srsly, guys.

>>9308929

I could kiss you for that...

But I did a barrel roll instead.

>>9308957
dude it involves injecting GOLD or a SUBSTANCE MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD into your body and shooting radiation at it.

that, plus, aren't nanotubes toxic? From what I've seen in this thread DCA is much more cost-effective, if still absurdly expensive

>Are you retarded? Let me throw down some knowledge

I'm scared of your wikipedia citations.

>A single mutation causes the cell to begin to grow out of control

That depends entirely where the mutation occurs. And what kind of mutation.

Take for example, a frame-shift mutation near the locus of the gene which codes for the "stop" protein in the cell cycle. That changes the ENTIRE genetic code after that point, and causes the cell to become cancerous FAR quicker. A silent mutation (one which does not change whatever amino acid is used in the polypeptide chain for that protein) won't have any effect on the cell.

My point is, there is far more that goes on when a cell goes cancerous than just "its DNA has a mutation." Our DNA is CONSTANTLY mutating, in EVERY cell.

Fun science fact, we have about 3.2 billion nucleotide base pairs. DNA synthesis messes up about once per bllion base pairs. Every time cells devide, there are about 3 new mutations.

tl;dr it is a bunch of fucking mutations since the whole point is the cell is braking down and becomming an ugly cancerous cell you assridden cuntshitter

GENTLEMEN

There may be ways to cure cancer, but the best way is to never get it. Gentlemen: we must perfect DNA

>>9308978
>nanotubes toxic
Do you have the faintest inkling of an idea of what a nanotube is?

You'll believe everything you read on the internet, eh?

bump...

>>9308994
I'm for this too.

But for the moment, if we can cure cancer by shooting a beam of pure SCIENCE at it, then hell yes I want that.

>>9309033

That's hardly fucking PURE science.

Anyone can inject you with something, and then shoot EM waves at you.

Them damn kids an' their community whatzits and their pissant schools. I done my part to beat the little shits that think they're better than curin' cancer.

Reposted to a forum and voted.

Doesn't matter if this is a failsafe or retarded way of curing cancer. It beats the fucking SHIT out of the other competitors. Better the human race by eliminating another method of trying to cure cancer or help some dumb ass niggers play basketball on weekends - or help some pretentious terrible movie fags get to hollywood?

I'd like to help the human race thanks, not tiny demographics.

>>9308897
>>9308978

It's actually quite cheap, and it's not harmful (due to the properties of gold nanocages). Adhesion of organic compounds is quite easy with gold, and you can make such adhesion very inert... not to mention that gold nanocages are already harmless to the human body.

Either way, you contain a drug that seeks out cancer in the gold nanocage, then fire a laser at it (in the same way LASIK works). And then you watch as it heats up intensely, but at a very small, specified space.

Look up this scientific article on an academic database: "Gold nanocages as photothermal transducers for cancer treatment"

This stuff was already done at least 3 years ago. It's certainly past the research phase by now, judging by OP. Glad to see that research got somewhere.

>>9308881

You realize it's not an actual balloon, right?

"Here's the basics...Grandmother gives the house to Erin if she makes the balloon payment by a certain date. The $200,000 goes to grammy who will live in a nursing home. That leaves Erin with $50,000 to remodel the house so she can live there. Scam is getting Pepsi to foot the bill."

>>9308978
>it involves injecting GOLD or a SUBSTANCE MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD into your body and shooting radiation at it.
Iron would be cheaper, if this is inductive heating. Only downside is iron's not nearly as ductile as gold is.

YOU FUCKERS

I WANTED SCREAMFEST

>>9309399
>SCREAMFEST
>FEST
>Thread about SCIENCE and MEDICINE

OKTOBERFEEEEEEEST

>>9309399

Go yell in a mirror.

>>9309113

This.
While none of us have any clue and any authority to judge whether this whole cancer affair is viable or not, the point of science is finding the things that don't work as much as finding the things that work.
So it's win-win if Mr. Goldtubes McCancercure gets more funding.
So vote, you faggots.

votan to cure cancer

bumpan

I fucking love horror films, but voting for that over Cancer research? Fucking no.

People who get cancer deserve to get cancer.

Voting for Screamfest.

>Find thread on suptg
>Go to vote
>Register
>Already registered with Pepsi

>>9309795

>Connect with facebo...

>>9309836

Well, it's true!

Their genes weren't good enough, so they got cancer.

Too bad for them.

But a horror movie fest could enlighten culture for people who WEREN'T born with terrible genes.

>>9309867

...is cancer actually genetic?

>>9309878
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

list of things we can thank our sister fucking ancestors for, yes cancer is among them.

>>9309878
Predilections towards some forms of it (prostate cancer, for example) do seem to be genetically transferrable.

That aside, I love how "rebuild a school in assfuck nowhere, USA" is higher in the list than "develop infrastructure for free online schooling & vocational education for kids worldwide". Nice priorities, people.

Kanzius cancer cure is the only decent and best idea out from the list...

Has this thread been cross posted on different boards?

>>9309939

I like how a festering hole in the Internet like 4chan has a keener perspective with regard to human welfare than, apparently, most of the country.

>>9310445
first, this is 4 chan, the place at which all internet roads end, so yes, that is logical.
second, this is /tg/ we turn porn threads into discussions on the meaning of morality. (While retaining the porn, everyone likes porn.)

So ya.

>>9310445
4chan is where smart people go to act stupid, or so the saying goes.

>>9310414

Read the comment section. There's /a/, /b/, /int/, and people going 'for the greater good' who are probably from here.

I voted for the Kanzius cancer one, and then the online school just to bump Screamfest down. (You get like ten votes but only one vote per project.) I mean seriously, what the fuck.

The brick and mortar projects would have an immediate, low-risk payoff but Kanzius did some fucking amazing work and this treatment definitely has wide potential. (His other inventions are really neat, too. It's a damn shame we lost him.)

All that said, the smaller 'pet projects' really could host online fundraising of their own. It's cheap, remarkably effective when done right. Any time you can actually improve the human condition instead of degrading it by exploiting the tendency of people to part with small sums of cash in large numbers is a plus.

Voted for the cancer cure

Voting to KICK THIS SHIT OUT OF CANCER

The best part about the 'resource house'?
>I have lost 2 of my 3 children to cancer.

First sentence in the second paragraph.

Voted to kick cancer's ass, as well as the global school to kick ignorance's ass. Come on, /tg/, let's get our Lawful Good on!

>>9310626
Supporting the survivors of cancer victims is indeed much more important than curing cancer. This is an undeniable truth.

vote you goddamn double heretics

Any other good projects to vote for?

A house, a school, a boys and girls club?
Seriously?
FUCK.
Voted for cancer.

reported for metathread

>>9310674
TWO boys and girls clubs.

>>9310680
>metathread
lol

>>9310626

And it is a scam, she gets a house for free, remodels it, her grandma gets a load of wonga and then she can stop the program after a year and get a free house and the cash from her dread grandma

>>9310685

>TWO boys and girls clubs
>TWO girls clubs
>TWO girls, ONE cup

>>9310680
It's not a metathread you fucking imbecile. It's an entirely unrelated to /tg/ thread.

It's also about curing cancer so shut up and die of cancer if you have a problem with it.

>>9310715
...dread grandma?

>>9310693
Looks like a newfag caught onto a buzzword, guys!

Next up he might call you weeaboos!

>>9310742
shut up you double katana

>>9310734

Dread Grandma

>>9310747
HERESEY!

And i'm out of buzzwords. NO WAIT! BLAM!

>>9310747
You...you...DOUBLE MASTERWORK BASTARD SWORD.

>>9310752

"I've come to destroy you"

>>9310747
>double katana

Eh...
I'm not completely sure cancer getting cured would be a good thing, from an objective point of view, mostly due to the whole overpopulation thing that's occuring.

Maybe if a relative develops it, I'll be less objective and relatively more selfish.

Future cancer research fag here (in honor of three dead family members). Voting for this Kanzius shit even if it puts me out of work XD.

>>9310797

You'll still get to research preventative treatment, surely?

>>9310809

Not as much funding then, but it is for the greater good

>>9310791
what's better a smaller population of very long lived healthy individuals or the current overpopulation conveyor belt of short lives riddled by degenerative diseases? Use a fucking condom.

i voted and put it on facebook

>>9310791

Overpopulation is a self-correcting issue. If the population reaches a level at which it cannot be sustained, people will start dying until it becomes workable.

To say that a cancer treatment could be bad because it will increase population growth isn't "objective", it's fucking moronic.

>>9310809
Yeah and there are plenty of other diseases where medicinal chemistry is relevant so no sweat :)

>>9310825
Same here. 4chan shall save cancer research!

>>9310821

Of course the smaller population would be better, but that won't happen, will it? Too many fucktarded teenagers not wrapping it and old people not having the good grace to die when their best years are behind them.

>>9310845

So... your saying that we should save people with cancer, so that eventually a lot more people can start dying from the overpopulation issue?

You're a fucking monster, that's just sick.

>>9306873
I'm doing my part, too!

>>9310871

I'm saying overpopulation is going to happen anyway, and if it does it will fix itself. Cancer will not fix itself, and is a much more immediate concern.

The other thing I'm saying is that you're an imbecile. If I didn't make that clear.

>>9310871
No, he's saying that it's fucking retarded to deny cancer research because of overpopulation.

i spread this to 7 and 99 chan

Golden rule: treat others as you would be treated by others.

Don't worry about these ethical quandaries.

Make life extension an option for future generations and let them make a choice.

Don't impose your values on future generations.

is /b/ doing its part?

Voted for cancer.
Beating out the film festival at least.
I wish we could vote for it more than once with our ten votes. That may just be because I live in cancer city though.

>>9310915
Thread was posted there earlier, had a good reception. It's 404'd by now though.

>>9310871
>>9310897
>>9310898

So... let's speed up the overpopulation issue, meaning more people will die while we try to find a way to solve it? That's not going to work, eventually there'll be some difficult choices that humanity will have to make if we don't want to end up going to war over the last scraps of food.

Do you cure cancer, meaning there's more people starving to death, or do you not cure it, so there's less people starving but more dying from cancer?

It's a moral grey area, there's no right or wrong answer.

Stop fucking arguing about it.

>>9310915

Yes. Loudly, as usual.

By the way, for all of you who feel like voting more than once, note there's no need for your email to be real - you can fill every field with "asdfghjkl" (or "[email protected]") and make as many accounts as you care to. No cookies either. Vote for as long as you can maintain your concentration.

>>9310931
So shut down hospitals and clinics, and make every drug company stop making medicnes. Oh, and that food downstairs you like? Can't have that anymore, it might help overpopulate the world. You gotta eat sticks, grass and whatever small animals you can trap.

Also the internet spread overpopulation with porn, so you're banned.

Ok, gonna go ahead and post this on my facebook, this is actually pretty goddamn important as far as I'm concerned

>>9310931
There's one issue with your argument: You're not considering anything but cancer and overpopulation to make/break the issue.

If we cure cancer, but overpopulation occurs, it might be something else that stems the tide. A pandemic maybe. War. Famine. Doesn't matter.

The point is, you can't say that it's a 'moral gray area' because it isn't. Beneficial is beneficial, you can't change that by trying to color it differently.

Cure cancer. If overpopulation occurs, it will either fix itself or we will do something about it. It is not our place to quantify wise or poor decisions based on the unforseeable future. This research will help people now. Later too, most likely. But now is the only time to worry about. The future could be anything. 2012 could be the end. 40,000 could be the end. We could all become immortals. Who fucking knows?

So just think about what you're saying before you say it Anon. Judge worthiness based on what you have in front of you, not a manufactured scenario.

Voted to cure cancer.

Come on. A horror festival. Really? I wonder how the guys who put that idea up there feel about themselves now.

>>9310965

We tried that in Africa, it just increased the birth rate to compensate for the deaths. We'll need a new plan...

>>9310931
>he thinks curing cancer is a "morally grey area"

>>9310990

People keep saying that 'overpopulation will fix itself'. Why not just come out and say 'people will die in droves so that the more advanced countries can live'?

as much as I would be behind this OP there is no way for cancer to be fully healed unless either 1. several pharmaceutical CEO's were diagnosed with it.
or 2. a mass epidemic of cancer suddenly swept through the country.

the sad state of affairs is that doctors and pharmaceutical companies make their money off of their patients misery, and they will never completely cure you because it's all about the come back....The cure will always be 1 more dollar than anyone has.

none the less I have posted this on my facebook page, god be with you brother anon.

>>9310990
>>9311005

Maybe I should clarify, I meant that the act of saving one set of people only for others to die as an indirect result is a morally grey area.

>>9311013

>>9310931
We cure cancer and allow natural scientific advancement to handle our growing populations. As food production improves, so too does our ability to handle our populations, if our populations grow past that point, we start dying off and eventually return to a manageable number.

>>9310931

Your an American right? What the fuck do you care about overpopulation? You live in a country with massive untapped agricultural capacity that could support something like twenty times the current population.

BATTLE BROVAS!

SPEHS MAHREENS!

WE KNOW OUR DUTEY AND WE WILL DO EET.

>>9311013
People will die in droves so that the more advanced countries can live.

Because it is not polite to say truth. We must lie to be happy.

>>9311023
Only is such a mindbogglingly abstract way. You could also posit that someone breathing would deprive another person of oxygen and insist breathing all the time is a morally grey area.

Sadly, this smells like one big pile of bovine-origin manure. No side effects? 100% effectiveness? Really?

Now cancer research is all well and good on its own, but I wouldn't throw money towards someone with a sales pitch reading like a snake oil ad. The fact that he is apparently going to use a lot of the money for getting new donors doesn't make it look like any less of a way to scam donors/investors.

I also see that they missed out on the bit where carbon nanotubes interact with your body like a more aggressive version of asbetos. I haven't heard anything about the gold dito but since it's the size and shape that's the problem, and not the chemistry...

>>9311036
This is ignoring Canada to the immediate north, which is like that but upped a few exponents.

REPORT THIS VIRAL MARKETING BULLSHIT.
IT'S ON EVERY DAMN PAGE ON EVERY FUCKING CHAN.

>>9310931
>>Do you cure cancer, meaning there's more people starving to death, or do you not cure it, so there's less people starving but more dying from cancer?
You do know cancer is a common cause of death in the west and MEDCs but not so much in LEDCs? You probably won't die of it until your 30s-40s at least. So curing it will simply help people in the west, who have no food problems, and not help people in the developing world, who are the ones with starvation issues.

Look I know this is hypothetical and cheap but I'm pretty sure mr overpopulation won't be so fucking philosophical about it if he gets diagnosed (not that I would wish this on anyone!).

Lets put this into perspective, 1 in three people are diagnosed with some form of cancer. There's bound to be someone you love among them.

>>9311035

Acutely, tech has a great opportunity to cure overpopulation.

You see, people with opportunities to get decent jobs, afford good homes, education, food, health care and entertainment don't breed like rabbits. If we can provide a decent standard of living to everybody population growth will slow to a crawl anyway, like it dose in much of the first world's natural population growth, without taking immigration into account.

Fuck, Japan's population growth is acutely negative.

>>9311013
Cause you know, the advanced countries never went through mass deaths or pandemics or anything...

Dude, extract your head from your ass. Countries all develop the same way, basically. If they are resource poor, they usually either push for manufacturing and technology, or they stagnate under oppressive regimes until they finally have a revolution that works. Resource rich countries will rest on their laurels until the shit hits the fan, then scramble to install a manufacturing and technology base to recover from losing their main source of income.

Pick a country. Apply template. That's how it works, for the most part. It's not saying that at all. It's saying that shit happens, you can't plan for it. All you can do is look at what you have, and work with it.

We have the chance to end cancer. Should we? Of course. We've striven to end all manner of diseases and maladies. Why stop now because some funny-in-the-brainpan people think we need sickness to prevent future problems?

Yeah, right. Cause us getting rid of many diseases and finding penicillin was the cause of Ebola and AIDS.

>>9311057
Pick your sarcastic reply you cancer loving sagefag:

1. OH NO NOT PEPSI I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF PEPSI NOW I WILL HAVE TO BUY PEPSI

2. What is this Cancer™ and where can I buy it?

>Hey /tg/, let's help cure cancer
>FUCK YOU you're destroying the planet

I love you guys.

>>9311050

Well, except that there's enough oxygen for everyone and it's renewable thanks to trees and algae and such.

>>9311069
Well, that's part of it, but improved food production, transportation, storage and preparation helps massively in handling an expanding population.

>>9311078
IT'S A FUCKING SCAM AND IT'S BEING SPAMMED EVERYWHERE.

I BUT YOU FUCKER LIGHTED A CANDLE FOR MADDIE AS WELL, TOOL.

idk guys this sounds promising but how are they getting the nanotubes in the cancer cells?

>>9311013

What difference does it make how it's phrased? Yes, if, in some speculative future, overpopulation causes a food or water shortage, lots of people will starve to death.

Hey, you know what? If the Earth crashes into the sun, lots of people will die too.

But there is nothing you can do about either of those things. Curing cancer will not magically cause the world population to skyrocket to 12 billion. What it will do, however, is keep a bunch of people alive who would be dead. Which is unilaterally good.

If you disagree with this, it's your civic duty to kill yourself and as many innocent people as possible. Because, in theory, you are slowing population growth.

Or you could help cure cancer. Your choice.

>>9306873
BUGS!!!!

I fear that without capslock this will be lost. I have been following cancer research very closely since my mother was diagnosed last year. I read about the golden nanoshell project a long time ago. It may not be as miraculous as we hope but it's not a scam you jews did 911 conspiracy nut.

>>9311075

Not anymore they don't, you think that places like the USA or the Ruskies would be happy with an improved africa which they have less control over? I'm pretty sure they get a lot of imports from there.

>>9311089
This is true, for now.

BUT WHAT IF?

This is the reasoning of "don't cure cancer" man, and it's fucking stupid. I'm not a very smart man, and I can see it.

>>9311095
you know cancer is really the last enemy of mankind once we get rid of cancer the human pop will skyrocket we will live much longer lives as well. we already don't have enough fresh water and food to feed the planet and you want to add more people?

plus how are they getting the nanotubes into the cancer cells?

>>9311093
I don't know or care who Maddie is or what your talking about and you don't seem to speak English very well. Please refrain from posting in all caps. It is obnoxious to read.

If you have proof this is a scam, please post it. If not it would appear that it is you who is spamming.

>>9311095

>What it will do, however, is keep a bunch of people alive who would be dead. Those people will then breed like rabbits.

FTFY

>>9311126

I think 'Maddie' is Madeline McCann.

You know, the little girl who's like a submarine.

>>9311127
>>What medicine will do, however, is keep a bunch of people alive who would be dead. Those people will then breed like rabbits.

>>9311094
Right, I hope somebody reads this for what it's worth.

Tumors need a capillary network in order to develop.

All capillaries have small holes in for non fat soluble substances to move through ultrafiltration and iffusion.

Capillaries around tumours have larger gaps in them than standard ones. These nanoshells are small enough to fit through the gaps in cancerous capillaries but too big to fit through normal capillaries.

Thus, these shells find their way into the tumor tissue and not healthy tissue.

They are then heated up killing the cancerous tissue but not healthy cells (the heating doesn't even need to be that great since if you think about it a fever above 40 degrees can be fatal).

Sadly I think this is all wasted on you guys.

>>9311154
>>keep a bunch of people alive who would be dead. Those people will then breed like rabbits.
What, all those fortysomething saved of prostate cancer are going to breed like rabbits?

Fuck all of the america-centric bullshit right there. Agreeing with the cancer research at least that will be useful in a global way over time.

RUN CANCER I AM COMING FOR YOU! HIDE COWARD!!!!!!!!!

>>9311112
Oh for fuck's sake. Yes, they'd be butthurt over it. So were the Limeys when we rebelled. So the fuck what? What, are we gonna actively take a role in making a country a shithole? Yep, we're doing it right now. Cuba, Africa (continent, but stfu), etc. You know what? There are stable African countries too.

Point is, if the people decide to fix shit, and right a wrong, and make their land livable and just, then fuck us, and fuck everyone else, it's gonna happen. It happened for the US, France, Poland, etc. It'll happen for them too.

They may remain poor, but happy poor people are just as well off if not better off than neutral or miserable wealthy people. Just look at we Americans.

tl;dr- We're asshats, and we're rich. We see poor kids playing soccer and want to take their ball cause they're having fun and we're not. Fuck that. The kids are eventually gonna grow up and play soccer whether we want them to or not.

>>9311144
That's cool I wish I was like a submarine.

flyin' under da water, shootin' mah nukes at commies

>>9311154
>>9311154
is this a good thing idk we can't feed the planet as is, plus HOW ARE THEY GETTING THE NANOTUBES INTO THE CANCER CELLS, nobody is talking about this everyone is just sucking each other dicks but nobody is talking about the biggest problem on the table.

>>9311166

Possibly, but why would you want to imagine that? That's a pretty fucked up fetish you've got going there.

>>9311172
I was thinking more along the lines of being at the bottom of the ocean, filled with seamen.

some one make a new /b/ thread

>>9311156
ok thank you for answering my only question to this i am going to now look this up and see if it pans out not a medfag soo i really know nothing of this thanks.

>>9311175

See >>9311156

>>9311044
WOW U R SOOOO DEEP!!1
You should totally be, like, a senator, or something!
Seriously, stop being a little emo faggot.

>>9311023
>I meant that the act of saving one set of people only for others to die as an indirect result is a morally grey area.
>Curing cancer makes others die.
What?

We can produce more food/acre than ever before.
Starvation due to overpopulation is not the issue, and NEVER will be, in civilized countries.
In uncivilized countries, they ALREADY have starvation due to overpopulation, and few people are dying of cancer.
Look up "farm towers", too.
The only possible downside to overpopulation is a ridiculous crime rate, and increasingly more homosexuals, which would actually DAMPER the growing population.
Hell, many advanced countries, such as China, Japan, U.K., are at the VERY BOTTOM of the birth-rate chart, while all those shitty, poor-as-fuck, scrabbling-in-the-dirt-for-food countries are producing as many as FIVE TIMES MORE CHILDREN, per woman!

You think that saving some people from a lingering, agonizing death is going to change anything about this?
That those countries where children are born, and die of malnutrition a few months later are suddenly going to get WORSE?
Fuck you, and fuck your sixth-grader logic.

>>9311175
>>nobody is talking about this everyone is just sucking each other dicks but nobody is talking about the biggest problem on the table.
...there's lots of ways they could but we don't have full details so we can't speculate?

>>9311175
see
>>9311156

>>9311127

Those people will breed like rabbits, creating more people who are also alive, which is also good. If your species is alive, your species is doing well.

And you still don't get that overpopulation is *inevitable*. At least, it is based on current trends. Slowing it down doesn't do anything for anyone. It's morally identical.

Except for the part where slowing it down involves killing people who are alive. Oops.

You know what disgusts me the most /tg/? The fact that Pepsi had this money to begin with and could've circumvented this retarded social marketing bullshit and just funded the cancer research directly. Would've been great PR too.

But I guess getting more hits on thier website is more important than contributing to society.

I hate corporations.

As an aside, I love all the "I don't get it so I'm scared"fags in this thread. Seriously guys. What, you gonna leave here and go burn a witch?

Just because something's over your head doesn't make it evil or wrong. If you're too stupid to understand, then at least learn to trust other people every once in a while. I mean goddamn.

Wasn't cancer cured in lots of cases with just sodium bicarbonate?

>>9311204
No, it's not. Overpopulation is a problem created by places where women have no options and no birth control. Give them decent jobs and the pill and overpopulation would stop being a problem tomorrow.

>>9311197
Ex-fucking-actly.

Poor countries already have more kids because more kids means more boy kids means more farmers means more potential food.

That's a gross oversimplification of course but it's the general idea.

Y'all need to read a book. And cure cancer. And maybe get off your fat asses and help out the third world but that's probably asking too much.

>>9311204

But slowing it gives us more time to find a solution.

Granted, that solution would probably be invading Africa, killing everyone and turning it into a giant farm, but it'd work at least.

My children, do not listen to the ruinous powers that lead you astray.

Purge the insult to the glory of mankind that is cancer and find your destiny in the stars.

Frankly, one of these things is going to make someone richer than fucking God, and probably create multiple new industries, while the others are just going to throw some money at irrelevant shit.
The only capitalistic choice is to support this research: It's a sound investment.

>>9311197
>>9311221

I thought they had more kids because the death rate is higher, so they want to ensure at leeast a few of them make it to being adults.

>>9306000
need to update the post, its now ranked 5th :]

>>9311204
>>And you still don't get that overpopulation is *inevitable*. At least, it is based on current trends.
*cough*

>>9311156
ok it seems like this could be true though i am having trouble kinda understanding the info, do you have a quote or a website or something that clearly states this because searching google is not very good for medical research again i am not a medfag so i have no idea what most of this stuff is lol.

Oh god, I just realized that OP got a minor GET.

>>9311247
Bit of that too but mostly it's that kids are the closest thing to a natural resource these poor bastards have. One more pair of hands is one more pail of water hauled from the well ten miles away.

>>9311255
Psheh, all of those Swedish children are muslims.

>>9311263

Also they help keep the parents alive when they get old.

I'd vote over 9000 times if this would include the cancer infesting 4chan. But it's not, so I'll just vote once. DO HO HO

>I'm not completely sure cancer getting cured would be a good thing.

Wat.

Well, since overpopulation is an issue, let's just stop the development of medicine.

Makes sense.

WAIT NO THAT'S RETARDED

And that is why you don't try to have a serious discussion on 4chan.

and done

>>9311204
>And you still don't get that overpopulation is *inevitable*. At least, it is based on current trends

Actually, if you look closer at the "current trends", they show that birth rates drop the more developed a country gets. Almost all EU countries, for instance, are actually facing *under*population with the way the birth rates are going.

tl;dr: Solve overpopulation by developing the fuck out of the world.

>>9311257
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4341

Here is a new scientist article from 2003 (very long sighted scam to start spreading false evidence on new scientist seven years ago).

It doesn't go into the mechanics of the increased permeabiltity of cancerous capillaries though.

I'll see if I can dip something up about that.

rolled 19, 6, 16, 14 = 55

>>9311294

>This argument conflicts with my opinion, I will exagerrate it to make it seem invalid

>>9311221
Top = Birth Rate
Bottom = Death Rate
>Poor countries already have more kids because more kids means more boy kids means more farmers means more potential food.
Poor countries have more kids because they are filled with people. People have sex. People don't have sex to make farmers. People have sex to feel good. Sex without preventative measures means more kids. More kids means more mouths to feed. More mouths means less food to go around. Less food to go around more more crime.

Voting this at the speed of light.

>>9311323
Also, lol Russia.

>>9311302
>>9311302
ok this is good but i really want that capillaries stuff.

rolled 15, 20, 20, 20 = 75

>>9311323

No, it's mostly to do with the kids helping out. The fact it feels good is an added incentive though.

>>9311257

The nanoshells collect around tumors because the blood vessels that are formed to feed the fast growing cancer cells are very abnormal and have a leaky characteristic that let nanoparticles somewhat selectively stay in the the cancerous area.

http://nanoed.blogspot.com/2009/10/gold-nanoshells.html

The leaky vasculature mumbo jumbo is a fancy way of saying the gaps in cancer capillaries are larger.

I found a bunch of medical journals but you need ot register to read them.

I hope you will at least give this stuff the benefit of doubt now :)

>>9311323

>Mexico
>0-4

The debate about overpopulation is really not intelligent :(. Give it a rest. This feels like a fucking youtube comment page. If it's this bad on /tg/ I can only imagine how shit it will be on /b/.

>>9311351
you have med journals on the internets cause ill look at them idc i have nothing to do today. im a history major soo i think i can figure it out. im becoming convinced i would just like to read about something not related to the nanotubes something that just deals with capillaries.

>>9311323

>People don't have sex to make farmers.

Yes they do.

If you know that your future depends on you having kids to provide for you when you're too old to work, damn right you're going to try to spawn as many farmers as possible.

>>9311371

http://www.wiley-vch.de/books/sample/3527321535_c01.pdf

http://www.springerlink.com/content/d204255u6708058x/ - medical journal (ctrl f vasculature)

http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/abs/10.2217/17435889.2.5.735?journalCode=nnm once again ctrl f vasculature.

I hope you will find this useful.

>>9311348
>I KNOW WHY PEOPLE HAVE SEX!
>NO, THE REAL REASON!
If they have, and have had, such a high fertility rate, then how come they're still in shit-town?

>>9311271
>Implying the children live
>implying the parents get old

>>9311396

Now before I retire to the conservatory /tg/entlemen. Being skeptical is always cool in my book. I am the first to concede that many treatments never make to phase three clinical trials.

But spamming that this is a scam in capslocks is not warranted and allowing this to lose to a fucking horror movie festival would be disgrace.

>>9311376

Well, in Africa they have sex to make more niggers. This seems like a counter-intuitive move, as it's hard to imagine any situation that improves when you add more niggers.

"Hey, there's a bunch of problems here. We need to fix up this place and get some proper irrigation working for those fields. What I need is a bunch of stupid niggers that think fucking a virgin will cure AIDS."

>this shit

World sure is going in the right direction. Keep up the good work, humanity.

>>9311376
Or like any sensible fucking dwarf you just wait until the next migrant wave.

>>9311319
It's not a strawman argument, it's literally what he was saying. He was objecting to curing cancer specifically because of overpopulation problems.

>>9311418
Why can't we just burn Africa, again?

>>9311396

I don't wanna talk to no scientist. Y'all liars making me pissed!

>>9311432

Which is double niggardly because it's not even a valid argument in itself. The places who do all the overpopulation don't tend to have cancer problems.

>>9311467
I don't support blocking cancer research or anything, I voted for it here.

But, your argument is a little off, simply because they do have cancer problems. They just don't have hospitals or medical personnel or health insurance in the quantity that modern countries do. Thusly it goes unreported more often than not. Hell, life is stressful in a shithole. So you smoke more, drink more, fuck more, etc. This causes problems. They just don't get recorded or reported cause there is no one to take care of it.

This doesn't mean that the argument against the project is validated or anything. It's just not disproven or made weaker by your notion is all.

As an avid arguer and debater, I had to point this out.

I doubt this miracle cure will work.

However, it's in the principle. What's more important?

Rebuilding a grade school?
Building a child's park?
Starting a film project?
Researching a possible way to cure certain cancers?

>>9311530
Well fuck man, if you had told the sick and dying in the mid 19th century that mold would fix their problems you would have been laughed out of town at best, tarred and feathered more likely than not. Speculation is all well and good, but you just never can tell what's going to work and what isn't until you try.

Pepsi can't defeat cancer. They probably recognize that funneling money into that won't get them immediate results like these other options will.

FUCKING NANOTUBES HOW DO THEY WORK?

>>9311530
Arguably we could get a lot of mileage out of building a school or something, but on the face of it, once we research this shit we'll know it forever. I suppose it's possible we'll get the next Einstein out of our new community center, but I can't help but think this is like getting yourself a beer instead of looking up how expensive beer is at various retailers near you.

Cancer comes from a hatred of yourself
while this might cure cancer in the short run, we need other avenues for the long run

>>9311550
People in the mid 19th century were familiar in many cases with the scientific method, and new medical treatments were introduced all the time. They'd be willing to hear you out, often as not.

Yeah, most of the new medicines they'd hear about would be "opium+booze+something to make it taste like medicine" but you'd be amazed how many problems that can cure.

>>9311598

dogs develop cancer at 11 years because they hate themselves more?

Galapagos turtles live to 200 without getting it because they love themselves?

Fuck off new age guy.

>>9311604

Things you can cure with opium+booze:

1) Chronic pain
2) Teething pain in babies
3) Headache
4) Cough
5) Boredom

>>9311610
I give you to about 40

>>9311683
I would like to invest in your research anon.

Voted and Facebook'd. Fuck these cunts and their grade school.

My best friend's dad just died of cancer, on my friend's birthday nonetheless. Feels bad, man.

CURE CANCER, /tg/!

>>9311699
What an enlightened thing to say, Buddha would be proud.

$ 50,000 Project Coordinator
$ 50,000 Operational Expenses

Some niggas are gotta be stinkin rich after pepsi sponsors their center

Cure some goddamn cancer.

School, Community center, and a film festival. I'd rather get the money myself for college for the 2nd rank with Cancer at the top rank

voted.

Got my friends and parents to voat lal.

cancer is natural, trying to fight it is like raping your grandma

>>9312455
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